There is no evidence for God
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Original post by Paranoid_Glitch
There is always a chance but the probability is extremely low it would be unlikely to happen. The earth is so perfect for human life to live that it is improbable that it was this way by chance.
True. Nothing happens by chance to be sincere. Everything has a reason and a purpose.
The conclusion that Gods exist is based on intuitive thinking, the inverse conclusion is based on lateral and highly logical thinking.
If you look around and see a bunch of trees and birds and variety of animals in a forest, it takes a particular type of mind to say "this was not commanded by God HQ, but rather came about from natural processes that selects desirable traits to pass along the gene pool to fulfil different ecological niches."
The same would apply to explaining lightning and thunder, or the seemingly random nature of weather/climate.
If you look around and see a bunch of trees and birds and variety of animals in a forest, it takes a particular type of mind to say "this was not commanded by God HQ, but rather came about from natural processes that selects desirable traits to pass along the gene pool to fulfil different ecological niches."
The same would apply to explaining lightning and thunder, or the seemingly random nature of weather/climate.
Original post by AshEntropy
There is also no evidence that a flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.
There is nothing to say that God is not a flying spaghetti monster. This point doesn't actually counter anything at all. There is no reason to suggest God could not be a chorizo sausage.
Original post by MrKmas508
What the point of anything if there's no God. Everything you love is going to die, there's no right or wrong and your an utterly meaningless speck upon the universe. OP what's the point of this thread, everyone who see's this is going to forget about it in a couple minutes anyway.
Things in the universe do not necessarily need a point.
Original post by Paranoid_Glitch
There is always a chance but the probability is extremely low it would be unlikely to happen. The earth is so perfect for human life to live that it is improbable that it was this way by chance.
(edited 7 years ago)
A part of me always questions this as a religious believer myself.
I personally believe it in because I was brought up to believe in Christ and therefore I do. Yes I do question it but when my life has been real low and I had no one or nothing to turn to, I turned to my religion for help and spiritual strength and prayed. And I truly believe every time I talk to God he answers my call or if that, I feel a lot more strength than if I hadn't been in contact with my spirituality.
You may laugh at that, but I think a lot of religious people find religion from a crisis point in their life and found a lot of inspiration and strength in scriptures and so forth. I don't enforce my religion and I never post on threads like these 'cause they are so silly.
Another interesting thing another poster said was the fear of death. Death is a natural thing in this world and I think believing in the soul being able to pass on through the other side is something that brings a lot of hope for people who want to live their life. But the philosophy of death is a murky and ambiguous subject to me.
I personally believe it in because I was brought up to believe in Christ and therefore I do. Yes I do question it but when my life has been real low and I had no one or nothing to turn to, I turned to my religion for help and spiritual strength and prayed. And I truly believe every time I talk to God he answers my call or if that, I feel a lot more strength than if I hadn't been in contact with my spirituality.
You may laugh at that, but I think a lot of religious people find religion from a crisis point in their life and found a lot of inspiration and strength in scriptures and so forth. I don't enforce my religion and I never post on threads like these 'cause they are so silly.
Another interesting thing another poster said was the fear of death. Death is a natural thing in this world and I think believing in the soul being able to pass on through the other side is something that brings a lot of hope for people who want to live their life. But the philosophy of death is a murky and ambiguous subject to me.
But how do you explain things like karma, emotions, outer body experiences, unbelievable coincidences, the bloody pyramids of Giza, the fact that humanity has been plagued by religion non stop for thousands of years?
Honestly I don't believe in gods but how are these things possible, there's no reason for those cruel things from those terrible books to exist but where did all those things I've mentioned start from, why do they exist?
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
Honestly I don't believe in gods but how are these things possible, there's no reason for those cruel things from those terrible books to exist but where did all those things I've mentioned start from, why do they exist?
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
Original post by Retired_Messiah
There is nothing to say that God is not a flying spaghetti monster.
this is not how probability works
this is not how probability works
Original post by Retired_Messiah
Things in the universe do not necessarily need a point.
Actually they do need a point and they have it, but human's mind isn't so mighty to perceive it all. So some people just deal with it, others don't give up and fight to find the truth. I personally prefer the latter ones, because they bring progress. Although, the first ones aren't bad either, as they enjoy life as it is and make the best out of it. World needs both kinds of people.
Original post by davidoriakhi
as a matter of fact, we did come and live in a finely tuned planet. even the scientists you put all your hope in can testify to that.
oh and by the way, there are way more stars than you can imagine in the universe. The equipment and facilities used by scientists to give you those numbers are limited not only by their knowledge, understanding and technology, but their small and tender minds.
They simply can't comprehend or fathom the greatness and goodness of God, and neither can you.
oh and by the way, there are way more stars than you can imagine in the universe. The equipment and facilities used by scientists to give you those numbers are limited not only by their knowledge, understanding and technology, but their small and tender minds.
They simply can't comprehend or fathom the greatness and goodness of God, and neither can you.
I don't need to kneel and kowtow to a scientist, I can look at their data and methodologies myself and determine whether it makes sense from a mathematical and a consistency with empirical evidence point of view.
Finely tuned planet? I don't know about you, but I know that human physiology doesn't work that well underwater. 70% of the planet gone already. In the wilds, nearly everything is deadly to man. The human population is currently being sustained by built shelter, and agricultural machinery.
The Universe as a whole is no more finely tuned than the asphalt on the sidewalk, it just so happens that life proliferates despite the odds when the circumstances permit.
Original post by Rather_Cynical
I don't need to kneel and kowtow to a scientist, I can look at their data and methodologies myself and determine whether it makes sense from a mathematical and a consistency with empirical evidence point of view.
Finely tuned planet? I don't know about you, but I know that human physiology doesn't work that well underwater. 70% of the planet gone already. In the wilds, nearly everything is deadly to man. The human population is currently being sustained by built shelter, and agricultural machinery.
The Universe as a whole is no more finely tuned than the asphalt on the sidewalk, it just so happens that life proliferates despite the odds when the circumstances permit.
Finely tuned planet? I don't know about you, but I know that human physiology doesn't work that well underwater. 70% of the planet gone already. In the wilds, nearly everything is deadly to man. The human population is currently being sustained by built shelter, and agricultural machinery.
The Universe as a whole is no more finely tuned than the asphalt on the sidewalk, it just so happens that life proliferates despite the odds when the circumstances permit.
It's because we're not living in wildlife the planet seems unsuitable for you, if we did live in the wild we would already be evolved species suited to live in different environments. But since ancient times we preferred to rush for comfort and so we sustained our original forms. Environment and nature constantly progress, and animals and other creatures constantly evolve, but if human makes their own environment, they do not progress together with nature anymore as they live in different conditions.
Original post by Zargabaath
There is no evidence dragons don't exist
This is why I remain adragonistic
This is why I remain adragonistic
It's a fun idea, but it doesn't really work. A deity that is practically invisible to us and is believed by many to have created the earth and its inhabitants vs. a reptilian creature that would hardly be inconspicuous, yet nobody the world over has never seen even a single trace of.
Original post by Psychedeliyaa
But how do you explain things like karma, emotions, outer body experiences, unbelievable coincidences, the bloody pyramids of Giza, the fact that humanity has been plagued by religion non stop for thousands of years?
Honestly I don't believe in gods but how are these things possible, there's no reason for those cruel things from those terrible books to exist but where did all those things I've mentioned start from, why do they exist?
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
Honestly I don't believe in gods but how are these things possible, there's no reason for those cruel things from those terrible books to exist but where did all those things I've mentioned start from, why do they exist?
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
Karma is not even a clear phenomena, but the perception of karma might just be the human's difficulty in understanding probability. I'm sure you can see that first hand in casino settings.
Emotions come from specific centers of the brain, as they have a specific function for dealing with the natural environment. If you had a distinct lack of emotion, you would quite quickly die when consuming faecal matter because you're not naturally repulsed or otherwise disgusted. The same would apply from not running away from a sabre tooth tiger.
Outer body experiences is the brain's way of dealing with extreme trauma, with a flood of DMT (powerful psychedelic drug that makes you dream).
The pyramids of Giza is a manmade artifact, not a phenomena to discuss.
The plague of religion comes from the fact that it is very controlling, and proliferates a lot like a virus (invade host cells, spread to continue).
I'm not sure what these questions lead to, but not a single one of them are unexplainable.
God existsend off
Original post by Paranoid_Glitch
There is always a chance but the probability is extremely low it would be unlikely to happen. The earth is so perfect for human life to live that it is improbable that it was this way by chance.
Nonsense. The probability is low for any particular planet, but when you have billions of galaxies and stars in the universe it becomes a statistical certainty that at least one, (but probably many more), have the correct conditions for life.
Think of it like the lottery. The chances of any one person winning are minuscule, but with the thousands or millions of tickets sold, at least one person is bound to win.
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Original post by DIN-NARYU-FARORE
God existsend off
Game, set and match to you, compelling argument that nobody can refute.
Original post by Psychedeliyaa
But how do you explain things like karma, emotions, outer body experiences, unbelievable coincidences, the bloody pyramids of Giza, the fact that humanity has been plagued by religion non stop for thousands of years?
Honestly I don't believe in gods but how are these things possible, there's no reason for those cruel things from those terrible books to exist but where did all those things I've mentioned start from, why do they exist?
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
Honestly I don't believe in gods but how are these things possible, there's no reason for those cruel things from those terrible books to exist but where did all those things I've mentioned start from, why do they exist?
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
They aren't particularly hard questions to answer, individually. But you asked quite a lot of questions. Wiki suffices to answer all of those by searching those terms you stated.
Original post by Tamuna10
Actually they do need a point and they have it, but human's mind isn't so mighty to perceive it all.
How have you come to the conclusion that everything has a point if you, a human (I assume), are unable to perceive all of them? What you have there is a belief. A belief is fine, but do not wave it around like it's an indisputable fact.
Original post by Paranoid_Glitch
How does it work then?
It's not improbable that an event occurred by chance just because said event was unlikely to happen altogether.
Original post by Psychedeliyaa
But how do you explain things like karma
It's not proven that karma exists. Could be 'proved' to some people via their confirmation bias.
emotions, outer body experiences
I would assume that neuroscience has explanations for one or both of those.
unbelievable coincidences,
Are what you say: coincidences
the bloody pyramids of Giza
Clever blokes? Aliens?
the fact that humanity has been plagued by religion non stop for thousands of years?
-Humans always wanting to find some sort of overarching meaning to things
-Random dudes wanting to control people
-people wanting the security of having a nice afterlife
-people wanting to just teach people what's morally good/bad
Original post by Psychedeliyaa
And we can't just be the only source of intelligence in this great big universe can we?
Well we could, but we might not be.
Perhaps god is actually a computer always pressing the "enter" key.
Maybe.
Original post by Retropattern
yes very true... and your point is....
Point being that there an infinite number of things that cannot be disproved. Therefore it is the responsibility of the person making the extraordinary claim to provide the evidence, not on the sceptic to disprove it, this is how our entire justice system works. If you accuse someone of a crime then you must provide proof, you can't simply say to the judge "you have no evidence he didn't do it!"
Original post by SubZero~
People feel enlightened by the idea of a greater being. By the way, you can't really say that there is no evidence for God and question why people believe in God. If there is no evidence for the Big Bang, why do people follow it? Science cannot disprove God's existence.
The Big Bang Theory is one of the most supported theories of all time, so yes, there is plenty of evidence for it. And please learn what a scientific theory is before spouting the ignorant "it's just a theory!" nonsense.
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
The Big Bang Theory is one of the most supported theories of all time, so yes, there is plenty of evidence for it. And please learn what a scientific theory is before spouting the ignorant "it's just a theory!" nonsense.
Sure, it's supported. So is the concept of God. Is it proven? No.
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