Shocking video of struggling UK citizens

1) The money that actually gets paid to the EU is £367 million. Vote Leave rounded it to 350.

According to the Office For National Statistics which is the recognised national institute for the UK and responsible for collecting UK economy statistics -
UK balance of payments - 2015:

Table 9.9 which shows the UK's Total debits to the EU at £19.9 billion in 2014.
This works out at £367 million per week.

Source: http://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/compendium/unitedkingdombalanceofpaymentsth epinkbook/2015-10-30/unitedkingdombalanceofpaymentsth epinkbook

The EU is undemocratic. It dictates what the money paid for by tax payers returned to Britain in rebate should be spent on.
The rebate comes back after being discussed by EU, and sometimes delayed.
The money does come back only if we follow certain EU rules.

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The amount of money UK paid to EU in 2014:

£55 million a day to the EU as a gross contribution.

£21 million a day comes back to UK in rebates

The NET figure was £34 million per every single day.
= £10 billion a year

^^^ That is way too much and it should be spent on our own priorities and our own people.

2) It is inconsiderate and uncaring of you to think we should never listen to the British lower class, let their living standards decrease and not care about their GP appointment difficulties because they are unemployed.
Their chances of being employed have decreased due to very high numbers of immigrants, large amounts of money unneccessarily paid to EU and lack of job opportunities. Job agencies are also flooded. Communities have changed. Primary school places are under pressure.

3) Immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take from it???
No they do not. You are wrong. Not all immigrants contribute more to the economy. Look at the cost of the Tax credit benefits. Tax credits costed £1.1 billion in 1999. In 2014 tax credits now cost UK £30 billion pounds.

3) Yes. Some immigrants work really hard. Some do not. Some commit crimes. Some claim benefits. Some are lovely. Some are unskilled. The hard working immigrants are already here. and we also have British people. That does not mean we should continue having open borders to 508 million people which any one of them could come, and we have no control of the amount.

4) The solution to these problems is to leave the EU and single market. And to follow an Australian points based system instead.
Last year, 189,000 people immigrated to Australia. 67% of those people were skilled professionals. A further 17% were trades people with the skills that Australia wanted. That is a country that went to their employers, identified what their country needs and been able to set a target for the country's development.

5) I myself didnt blame immigrants. I blamed the government, uncontrolled borders, EU payments, the European Union and Single market. Maybe you should do some more research into all of these areas instead of listening to the BBC and the typical gibberish.

At what point do we scrap the NHS? Maybe limit it to children only?

I love the idea of the NHS but the costs are astronomical and its abused so much politcally and financially. People live long and our old people are only going to get older and live longer which is kinda ironic, in theory the better it performs the more it costs and will have to perform again

Yes it's the Tory's fault that's why real spending has increased under the Tory government since they took power from labour.

At what point do we scrap the NHS? Maybe limit it to children only?

I love the idea of the NHS but the costs are astronomical and its abused so much politcally and financially. People live long and our old people are only going to get older and live longer which is kinda ironic, in theory the better it performs the more it costs and will have to perform again

TL, DR. IDGAF about the specific figures of how much money goes to the EU. That's not the point of your discussion. TBH, with a Muslim name like Naveed, I think you should be ashamed of listening to any of the BS coming from the BNP.

Isn't that just in line with inflation. Planned hasn't come into fruition yet.

At what point do we scrap the NHS? Maybe limit it to children only?

I love the idea of the NHS but the costs are astronomical and its abused so much politcally and financially. People live long and our old people are only going to get older and live longer which is kinda ironic, in theory the better it performs the more it costs and will have to perform again

There was a (very good IMO) idea floated around a while ago about the NHS becoming the responsibility of a cross party health board rather than the govt of the day.

What happens if you get cancer and can't afford the treatment? Do we really want to be a nation that lets people die if they can't afford treatment?

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I don't know but its going to get the point anyway unless this generation eat themselves to death and die quickly

It just seems like a big ponzi scheme to me, i have mentioned this before in relation to immigrants helping the NHS by paying more in. Its all well in good until they and you retire and need the NHS now have an even bigger drain on the NHS = Twice the number of young net+ paying contrbuting workers again ad infinitum.

I dont have the answer, i just see a huge problem

Before we propose abolishing it, you need to have a system to make sure people don't die if they get ill.

With an edging population we need more people in work, paying taxes and immigrants by and large do that. The immigrants that come here tend to be younger and don't use the NHS much

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You are right I do want a immigration policy what helps this country.

Having a immigration policy that actually works is not discriminatory, saying yes you are European and unskilled you can come in but you the African doctor can't is discrimination, what country are you from? You have said you aren't from Great Britain.

Heh dont worry i dont have the power of abolishing it, yes i know working people including immigrants as a whole pay more into it.. my point is that X years when they retire... you now have an even bigger group of pensioners to fund.. now what? More working immigrants! Great..

And when they retire, you now have an even bigger number of pensioners to fund..

Don't worry i have a solution, whats our population again? 109 million sir, we are building upwards now and housing 8 people to every "Traditional" 3 bedroom home

Dont worry, our GDP is much bigger though

immigrants are not the problem in the NHS... health tourism is a tiny tiny problem and barely noticeable in terms of overall NHS spending and as for long term economic migrants, they pay in more than they take out so overall they are helping not creating a problem

as far as actual strain on the NHS - this is down to people in general being stupid and wasting time, going to the doctors every time they have a cough or cold or insisting on seeing a doctor when a nurse would be fine which then leads to people ending up in A&E cos they couldn't get an appointment with a GP, oh and the idiots who call ambulances or go to A&E for stupid reasons, combine this with an aging population

the real problem however is just that the NHS is underfunded and poorly managed, the torys won't prioritise a national health service and won't or can't give it the funding it needs to run well, there is also lots of bureaucratic nonsense and massive amounts of money are wasted in the NHS

Not what I meant. I meant the EU is very clear and strict regarding access to the market - only with free movement of people. You cannot have your cake and eat it, too. That is all I was saying regarding your dream of a discriminatory immigration policy. And yes saying "we dont want another plumber you cant come, but you a doc can come". That is discriminatory (its not racially discriminatory but i never said that).

A lot of immigrants actually return home when they stop working. The immigrants that come here are fairly young, they work and pay taxes and don't tend to use the NHS much. Conversely British immigrants in countries such as Spain tend to be far older and do use the health service more.


There is no easy answer, but I can tell you for certain that abolishing the NHS isn't viable. Do we really want to be a country that lets people die from a cureable disease if they can't afford treatment?

The NHS is also a fiscal multiplier, which helps the economy. If people are healthier, they are more productive at work. Abolishing the NHS would not just be morally abhorrent, but economically disastrous.

I will happily discriminate against a plumber if it means we get an extra doctor.
You may see a border free world as something that would be amazing but the truth is it will never happen and if it ever did happen it would only cause conflicts.

But it is wholly irrelevant what you want.

The point is you can't have both. You will not get access to the free market and the discriminatory immigration policy that so many Brexiters want.