Deluded enough to believe that a centuries old book is actually the word of god, perfect and immutable in its entirely, at a guess.
After all, both the Old Testament and the Quran are full of passages detailing who god wants killed, and why. As far as the true believer is concerned, who are they to question the word of god?
It's not accurate but let's assume that yes. So, how violent became Jews because of these violent passages? Just several examples from the 3000 year old history. According to your logic it should be something terrible.
It's not accurate but let's assume that yes. So, how violent became Jews because of these violent passages? Just several examples from the 3000 year old history. According to your logic it should be something terrible.
Well, the examples from the OT are pretty violent and gruesome. Unfortunately for the Jews, history conspired against them, condemning them to be the continual underdogs and scapegoats. Perhaps because of this, and the necessity to constantly reinvent and reestablish themselves after regular upheaval, Judaism took on a more rational and practical aspect, through embracing education and the ever broadening cultural experiences of the diaspora.
Imagine if expansionist Judaism 3000 years ago had gained and maintained the domains and numbers that Islam did and now has. Things may well have been very different.
Remember; terrorists are a tiny minority and do not represent all Muslims. However, Jews are all responsible for the conduct of the Israeli government.
Well this is the stance of BDS, given that they lobbied for Jewish performers to be removed from music festivals despite them not being Israeli (just Jewish) and never publicly making announcements in any way, shape or form about politics at all, let alone Israel.
I think the funnier thing is the french will put hundreds of IS militants in the ground for this. Talk ****, get hit.
There should be a western policy of expanding operations in response to every incident of terror, I'm not heartless I oppose the killing of innocent Muslims, but each time a terror attack occurs there should be an additional strike on a column of IS militants.
Just in-case you haven't heard, there was another terrorist attack in Belgium by a woman wearing an Islamic veil screaming "allah akbar" trying to murder people with a machete.
This is a simplification of what is quite a complicated situation. The issues regarding the Rohingya mostly predate any Islamic insurgencies and jihad.
Well, the examples from the OT are pretty violent and gruesome. Unfortunately for the Jews, history conspired against them, condemning them to be the continual underdogs and scapegoats. Perhaps because of this, and the necessity to constantly reinvent and reestablish themselves after regular upheaval, Judaism took on a more rational and practical aspect, through embracing education and the ever broadening cultural experiences of the diaspora.
Imagine if expansionist Judaism 3000 years ago had gained and maintained the domains and numbers that Islam did and now has. Things may well have been very different.
According to Torah, these actions were results of only direct commands of God and it was more than 3000 years ago. After that Jewish kingdoms existed about 1000 years. Now, how many (if any) examples of violent behavior you can find in Old Testament or in history? How many people were stoned to death? And no, Judaism didn't change its attitude to the scripts. Actually this was the main reason of Christian persecutions. And every religious Jew rereads the "terrible" text of Torah every year.
According to Torah, these actions were results of only direct commands of God and it was more than 3000 years ago. After that Jewish kingdoms existed about 1000 years. Now, how many (if any) examples of violent behavior you can find in Old Testament or in history? How many people were stoned to death? And no, Judaism didn't change its attitude to the scripts. Actually this was the main reason of Christian persecutions. And every religious Jew rereads the "terrible" text of Torah every year.
This is quite an odd post, the laws of Moses are not carried about because they are said to be perfect only under the circumstances present during the time they were laid, down which is why Orthodox Jews don't generally have tonnes wives and stone women to death. You're right in a very literal OCD way, but this post the way it's written seems less apologetic for Judaism and more like you're calling for a strike on the Midianites
According to Torah, these actions were results of only direct commands of God and it was more than 3000 years ago. After that Jewish kingdoms existed about 1000 years. Now, how many (if any) examples of violent behavior you can find in Old Testament or in history? How many people were stoned to death? And no, Judaism didn't change its attitude to the scripts. Actually this was the main reason of Christian persecutions. And every religious Jew rereads the "terrible" text of Torah every year.
Are you seriously asking for examples of violence in the OT? I do not remember chapter and verse like I do with the Quran (OT is a tad longer and even more rambly) so I will have to look them up, but I will if I have to, but I won't be happy. I can remember the slaughter of the Canaanites in Deuteronomy though (22 or 23, possibly?) Lots of killing of men, women and children. IIRC, only the lady virgins and cattle were spared (now, that would be some after-party!) I think there are a couple of stonings related in the OT, but I can't remember them.
My exGF was (probably still is) Jewish. None of her family took the scriptures at all seriously but were still proud of their heritage. There are few Jews today who are fully observant. Changing attitudes.
Are you seriously asking for examples of violence in the OT? I do not remember chapter and verse like I do with the Quran (OT is a tad longer and even more rambly) so I will have to look them up, but I will if I have to, but I won't be happy. I can remember the slaughter of the Canaanites in Deuteronomy though (22 or 23, possibly?) Lots of killing of men, women and children. IIRC, only the lady virgins and cattle were spared (now, that would be some after-party!) I think there are a couple of stonings related in the OT, but I can't remember them.
My exGF was (probably still is) Jewish. None of her family took the scriptures at all seriously but were still proud of their heritage. There are few Jews today who are fully observant. Changing attitudes.
The laws of Moses are believed not to have applied since the destruction of the second temple so whilst an Orthodox Jew would say those laws are perfect he would still be opposed to stoning his daughter to death.
The numbers of religious Jews are absolutely sky rocketing due to birthrates and whilst admonit is right, a face value flick through of the OT won't give you many clues as to how they think.
This is quite an odd post, the laws of Moses are not carried about because they are said to be perfect only under the circumstances present during the time they were laid, down which is why Orthodox Jews don't generally have tonnes wives and stone women to death. You're right in a very literal OCD way, but this post the way it's written seems less apologetic for Judaism and more like you're calling for a strike on the Midianites
Absolutely wrong. Jews never considered laws of Moses as something temporary. The laws don't command to have "tonnes of wives". The death penalty for breaking of important religious laws may be imposed only by high religious court - Sanhedrin, which doesn't exists already ~2000 years.
Absolutely wrong. Jews never considered laws of Moses as something temporary. The laws don't command to have "tonnes of wives". The death penalty for breaking of important religious laws may be imposed only by high religious court - Sanhedrin, which doesn't exists already ~2000 years.
That's my point, the death penalty cannot be applied if the Temple is not standing, certain conditions have to apply.
May be it is your point, but we discuss violence inspired by religious scripts. I very doubt that extremist Muslims act according to religious court.
Intriguing
Does Islam require the existence of a religious court to enact the death penalty? Most Brits for example favour the death penalty, but so long as they don't form vigilante mobs to hang people they don't like it's not much of an issue.
Are you seriously asking for examples of violence in the OT?
Yes. From OT or from history.
I do not remember chapter and verse like I do with the Quran (OT is a tad longer and even more rambly) so I will have to look them up, but I will if I have to, but I won't be happy. I can remember the slaughter of the Canaanites in Deuteronomy though (22 or 23, possibly?) Lots of killing of men, women and children. IIRC, only the lady virgins and cattle were spared (now, that would be some after-party!) I think there are a couple of stonings related in the OT, but I can't remember them.
I've already explained that actions against the Canaanites are considered as a special case - direct command of God.
My exGF was (probably still is) Jewish. None of her family took the scriptures at all seriously but were still proud of their heritage. There are few Jews today who are fully observant. Changing attitudes.
Believe me, I know a bit more orthodox Jews than you.
Does Islam require the existence of a religious court to enact the death penalty? Most Brits for example favour the death penalty, but so long as they don't form vigilante mobs to hang people they don't like it's not much of an issue.
AFAIK, vigilantism is forbidden in Islam. The severity of the punishment requires that very strict evidence standards must be met before a conviction is found. The Islamic court also has flexibility to order less than the ultimate punishment (for example, imposing fines or prison sentences), on a case-by-case basis.