There is no evidence for God

If his entire argument is based on that assumption, wouldn't you say it's pretty vital for him to show it's true?

What if he deliberately chose an assumption that is impossible to disprove, or at least currently impossible?

Then he will do exactly like you just did and say well listen mate there it is, look what I argued, you can't disprove it, so who is the fool now for denying it.

Some would argue that after two millennia of there being no evidence at all, that that is at least one piece of evidence that there isn't.

You would have been right if you said there is no proof that there is no God. But alas, you didn't.

At the end of the day it's still a philosophical argument. Philosophy is not science or mathematics.

It's an assumption. It's not on me to prove it wrong. It's on you to prove it correct.

And the arrogance, you didn't get defended by an atheist, an atheist asked for more clarification in my argument, since the state it was in, he didn't understand it. If you continue to read our exchange you will see that we came to an agreement.

That's actually stupid. Premises are not assumptions! If someone makes an argument, with a conclusion that is logically valid and follows from it's premises, the of course the burden of proof is on him. However, they dont simply assume their premises are true, they provide reasons to support them being true! I thought atheists were supposed to be fore bearers of reason and logic? Shouldn't you at least know what valid arguments are and, heaven forbid, what a premise actually is?

Indeed, something I have been trying to tell people for a long time now.

Rather ironic then that you come in here as arrogant as you have, having completely misunderstood the debate up to now.

Then perhaps you should read what you write before posting Start with post 402. You wrongly confuse premises as assumptions. Whats ironic is you use modus ponens as an example to show what an assumption is, when in fact there is no assumption!

Edit: i see youve already been dealt with. Dont worry then, lets leave the conversation where it is my assertive but ultimately self defeating friend.

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What will happen to heretics like me, then?

Urm? Why do you believe that believing in God is a sign of maturity?

A large reason that many people believe in God is to comfort them. The existence of a God allows for a heaven, to see loved one's again, to have an objective moral standard, to have good people be rewarded etc.

Surely the mature thing to do is to accept the harshness of life without needing a God to cling onto for comfort?

So why do people still believe in God?


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There is no evidence that there is no God. So there.

I also wish you well. BTW, I think the only person who will burn in hell is Satan.

What will happen to heretics like me, then?

Heresy is just another sin like stealing, murder, and bearing false witness. What is sin? Anything that prevents us from standing in the presence of God ,which is, BTW, his whole goal.

The mind of man is the culmination of his creation. I personally can't see him creating something so near to his heart, with the very characteristics that will allow it to fail, (choice), and then sentence it to eternal suffering for failing.

Your question was, what will happen to heretics like me, (us). Probably the same thing that will happen to every body else who has the ability to take responsibility for their soul. I think that through living this life, getting old and dying then, at the proper time ,seeing everything the way we were meant to see and understand it ,will,(should ), be enough to straighten us out. If you think about it, knowing you were going to love forever would take a lot of the allure of most sins away. I think.

if your like me, heresy is the least of your problems.

I'm literally right here.

So how do you feel about the gays?

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Homosexuals shouldn't walk into stones. It's disrespectful to the natural world. Other than that I say live and let live. Now I must rest.

To comfort them??? To hear you talk, people should only fear God. Many do. Why would someone continually worship and devote a large part of their life to if it was so easily explained away with science and logic. That doesn't make sense.

I don't believe there is a "point" to my life. The only purpose I'm aware of is to perhaps harm no one, remain aware that God created me and to show a little appreciation for that fact.

Do you think there is a point to your life? If not are you sad or disappointed your life is meaningless?

What? Sounds like universalism...



Well regardless of the sin, you need Jesus. Without him, you "stand condemned already", as John 3:18 says.

in other words, we deserve to die because we have sinned. Without Jesus, you will get the punishment for your sin, which is death. What's death? Well we aren't sure about the details, but it involves hell, and it's a punishment.



Nope, that's not true. God didn't send his son to die on the cross solely to give us the chance to be with him. He did it to demonstrate his attributes. He did it to bring glory to himself. (Isaiah 11:9, Jeremiah 31:33-34). The gospel demonstrates his mercy, his love, his power, his wrath, his justice, lots of different attributes all in one gospel. He also did it to carry out his will through people.

Yes, God does care about us. He came to give those who are weary rest, he came to heal the sick, to wipe away all tears etc. But the world does not revolve around mankind. It revolves around God (obviously not literally, before someone makes the joke)..



So because you wouldn't punish people eternally, God wouldn't...? You are also suggesting that people aren't to blame for their sins. On what basis can you assert that?

Are you suggesting that you don't deserve eternal suffering? Please explain how.



To answer that question, let me quote Jesus:
"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."
"I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’"