Labour party councillor calls trangender tory councillor a " man "

no not never there are always exceptions to the rule but it's not the 'default' as you suggested

Yes he is but he's also a party member

He did it deliberately and in a way to cause offense

as I have said they only know this person as a she so to call her 'he' on numerous occasions (and he was being a massive dick while doing it) is wrong and we expect better

I've noticed humans love to find anything to complain or be pedantic about. In this society where we don't have the big issues of war and starving to death etc like some third world countries, what do we latch onto? Complaining about correct terminology for s*it that does *not* matter.

People who call this hate crime are taking the p**s and making a joke for people in the past and present who have received actual hate crime for their colour or sexuality.

what exceptions are you talking about?



so what? he's employed by the people as a representative - if he should be "fired" then we need a recall system

She'd already transitioned. He knew that she's a woman, and decided to misgender her out of ignorance and it disrespect just because she's transgender. To hell with all these edgy comments about attack helicopters; that joke died years ago, stop using it as a way of avoiding the fact that you don't understand the importance of recognising someone's gender and pronouns.

her sex is female

we don't get to decide what people identify as.

continual hate crimes.

Yes that's right.

You are right they are being a dick but is that a reason to call the police?

This is the perfect case where you have to ask yourself would you rather have your feelings protected by the government or freedom of expression which protects what people say to you as well as what you say to them?

Reminds me of this:
[video="youtube;SYkbqzWVHZI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI[/video]

This is utterly ridiculous and clearly not a hate crime, what a horrendous attack on free speech. Sure, I think it's definitely respectful to call a transgender person by whichever pronoun they want to identify as, but by no means should people be legally obliged to do so. Especially given that they were born, and still biologically are, a male, I fail to see how the man has done anything but perhaps be a bit rude. Calling the police is insane. It doesn't matter what they 'identify' as, it doesn't change their biological status. Hate crimes should only constitute continual harassment, systematic discrimination or incitements to violence, and this incident was none of those. People don't have the right not to be offended.

it is tricky I know

But I'd rather there weren't trans phobic bullies in the first place and if it takes the police to stop it then so be it (this is no different to racism)

So you are happy for the police to crack down on thought crime, it isn't tricky if they actually did something other than say something that offends someone fine but freedom of speech is there for a reason.

What happened here isn't a criminal offence that is why it is not being treated as such and is instead being called a hate incident so why are police getting involved when nothing criminal illegal has happen?

trans phobic abuse is still abuse

The use of a pronoun (particularly one that is factually correct) does not constitute abuse.