Paris restaurant refuses to serve Muslim women

I love the idea of two Moslems complaining that people are not liberal enough.

AFAIK in Britain a non-Muslim man can marry a Muslim woman. Such marriage won't be registered according to Muslim law as well as marriage of two non-Muslims. It's not discrimination.

I'm just defending the right of Muslims, as well as any other religious group, define their rules of marriage. In this case nobody is discriminated. If a woman doesn't like Muslim laws she is free to leave Islam.

I agree, in principle. They can marry in a registry office. However, how many Moslem women are really free to leave Islam, especially without attracting an honour-killing punishment?

of course it is discrimination

we are talking about Islamic law (Allah's law), not the law of those decadent "kuffar" ...

Which text? The Qur'an? No, but I think a lot of it can be a good source of guidance for a spiritually-inclined Muslim.

To what extent does one choose to believe in a religion? You seem to be implying here people simply pick and choose to believe in a religion like they would pick and choose which club to join. I'm not so sure it is quite as simple as this. The only solution here is to join a different denomination/sect of the religion. That is all fine and well, but often times there is a lot of sectarianism. For example I have seen some pretty horrible abusive comments made towards Ahmadi Muslims.

Plus I also think there needs to be some consistency or a good explanation. Why should a religion be able to discriminate, but not a private business. It seems to me an arbitrary rule.

And not allowing someone to enter because of their religion is discriminatory.

We're talking about this particular incident. Read the article for the 'reason and context' if you haven't already.

No it's not difficult. The majority of Muslims do not support Daesh, nor do they believe that their acts are endorsed by the Quran.

They also do not follow one single interpretation of the Quran or practice in the exact same way.

Is the owner allowed to refuse service to a gay couple instead of a single gay individual in the sense that a gay person can 'choose' to be in a gay relationship?

You've basically backed up my point while saying you disagree with it.

I neither agree nor disagree. I am merely exploring avenues. And attempting to show people the difference between certain concepts that they are conflating.

You seem to have taken it upon yourself to argue against a point that no one has made.

Having negative views towards the ideology of Islam is perfectly acceptable. Judging people who follow such an ideology negatively is perfectly acceptable.

Refusing to serve someone for simply believing in such an ideology is not.

I personally do not believe in a thought police. I think it's great that in the UK you are allowed to think whatever you want with no fear of punishment. We do not punish evil thoughts.

Refusing to serve someone who has done nothing wrong, for simply believing in an ideology that you disagree with is unreasonable discrimination and is therefore wrongful.
Whether that belief is Fundamental Islam or neo Nazism, it is unreasonable to refuse to serve someone who hasn't actually done anything wrong.

Quite why you are obsessing over the meanings of words and semantics, i'm not so sure.

The fact remains that we should live in a society where we are allowed to think whatever we want and follow whatever religion we want without fear of punishment. If you act on such a belief in an illegal manner then fair enough, but merely holding such a belief is not and should not be punishable.

If two Jewish people were refused service in a shop, you'd be up in arms about it and rightly so. It should be the same here.

LOL, don't delude yourself. Fanatics like you are still a minority. Your fantasy of nullifying religious freedom and forcing priests, imams, rabbis and other officials to conduct marriages or other services contrary to their religious beliefs, will remain a fantasy.

No. I said that "unreasonable discrimination" is wrong.

If you would refuse to serve a neo-Nazi wearing a swastika armband on the basis of their beliefs and appearance, then you must also accept the same when it happens because of different beliefs and appearance.

I am quite happy being called an "Islamophobe".

Def: Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. - (Oxford English Dictionary)

I fail to see what is "extreme" about insisting on accurate definitions and use of terms.

Of course you can, as long as that discriminateion is reasonable.

You really have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?

It is your choice, as a business owner, who you serve. As long as your decision isn't unreasonably based on things like race or gender.

You really have no idea what you're talking about either, do you?

Try actually responding to my points next time.
Try again.

The State has no business regulating the internal ceremonies of religious institutions;

If two Jewish people were refused service there would be nothing but condemnation and nor should there be. There wouldn't be lots of 'yes but' comments.