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Poll shows majority of British people support burqa ban

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Original post by YaliaV
To say that we can wear what we want is a nonsense. There are norms here and we can't really break them. Nobody else can cover their face, so I don't know why some people should receive special treatment.
Did you even read my post, I stated that I believe covered faces are a security hazard and should not be allowed. What I meant, aside from security, was that the government shouldn't be allowed to tell people what to and what not to wear. I'm conflicted because it's a beneficial policy if the woman is forced to wear it by her husband (which does happen in lots of cases), but on the few cases that she does genuinely choose to wear it the state would be interfering with her freedom to choose what she wears. But in the end I have to go down the line of security and the potential for public intimidation and vote to ban it, if such a vote ever arises.
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Original post by Josb
:rolleyes:

Because some people have added texts to the Quran for political purpose; they then claim it's religious to get approval without discussion.


which texts?
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Original post by DicksOut4Haraam
which texts?


Hadiths.
If this is true, I have list all faith in Britain. I'm emigrating.
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Original post by Dima-Blackburn
I'm aware of that, which is why the case would probably be even weaker.
I'm sure even you recognise the difference between political uniforms (which will certainly be worn in public during election times) and religious clothing that is "kind of" political.


It's only a matter of time before we see Islamist parties. The link will be much more obvious then.
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Original post by Platopus
If this is true, I have list all faith in Britain. I'm emigrating.


To where?
I find that in all this debate we don't hear much from the women behind the Burqa's
Original post by Josb
Hadiths.


you can't really argue that the niqab/burqa is not Islamic becuase it's not in the Qur'an if it's in the Hadiths and Muslims still use them as guidelines for their lives.
Original post by JRKinder
Did you even read my post, I stated that I believe covered faces are a security hazard and should not be allowed. What I meant, aside from security, was that the government shouldn't be allowed to tell people what to and what not to wear. I'm conflicted because it's a beneficial policy if the woman is forced to wear it by her husband (which does happen in lots of cases), but on the few cases that she does genuinely choose to wear it the state would be interfering with her freedom to choose what she wears. But in the end I have to go down the line of security and the potential for public intimidation and vote to ban it, if such a vote ever arises.


We are told how to behave and even what we can/can't wear to an extent. That's part and parcel of being in a society. Everybody has their freedoms interfered with every day.

Would you object to people hiding their faces in general? Do you think it's acceptable in certain cases because it's "cultural"? Why should it be acceptable for some and not for others?
Original post by YaliaV
We are told how to behave and even what we can/can't wear to an extent. That's part and parcel of being in a society. Everybody has their freedoms interfered with every day.

Would you object to people hiding their faces in general? Do you think it's acceptable in certain cases because it's "cultural"? Why should it be acceptable for some and not for others?
I'd argue that people should be allowed to wear whatever they want as long as it does not incite violence or have pornographic images or whatever. Obviously everyone has their own tastes, and I certainly don't approve of some of the things people do wear, but that doesn't mean anyone should have the right to stop them from wearing it.

Yes, I object to people hiding their faces in general. You can't walk around wearing a balaclava or motorbike helmet, so the same should apply to the burqa. No, it isn't acceptable because it's 'cultural'; if it's a security hazard then it should be banned regardless of where the garment originates from. When have I said it's acceptable for some, but not others? I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.
Original post by lawyer3c
As is paying taxes. Are taxes, therefore, also a symbol of extremism?


How are they same?:lol:

Possibly one of the worst false equivalencies possible. And you're a lawyer/aspiring lawyer? *Pretty much all countries have taxes. You implement them because you need it to operate. Saudi implements compulsory Burqa wearing because they're Salifist nuthouse of zealotry and oppression.*

"Yeah but Britain has a minister for agriculture, just like Saudi. So.....executing homosexuals is ok....?"*
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Original post by KimKallstrom
How are they same?:lol:

Possibly one of the worst false equivancies possible. And you're a lawyer/aspiring lawyer?!*

2dense4me
I can't support such legislation. Banning items of clothing (obviously I'm not saying you should be able to wear stuff with hate speech like "kill all black people" on it lol) is wrong and extremely authoritarian.

It is everybody's right to wear stupid things. I do however worry about the fact that loads of Muslim women are in families and communities that would completely destroy their lives for not wearing it though. That's if they don't disown them completely of course.

Still, banning clothing is not the way a decent society operates. Leave that retardation to Saudis and Afghans etc*
Original post by lawyer3c
2dense4me


If you can't see why your point was asinine then I don't hold out much hope for your future posts.*
Original post by CrazySkittles
The burqa is not compulsory. It's a rule or law from the country of which that muslim is from. For example Tantawi it's compulsory but the religion doesn't say it is. It's more of a culture. The Hijab or Head scarf is however compulsory by law in Islam.


Yeah i thought it would be a cultural thing if not religious. This doesn't mean just because its cultural they shouldn't wear it, you can't change someones culture.
Original post by KimKallstrom
If you can't see why your point was asinine then I don't hold out much hope for your future posts.*

however will i cope now kim kardashian doesn't approve of my posts:cry:
Original post by Josb
It's only a matter of time before we see Islamist parties. The link will be much more obvious then.


Alarmism.
Original post by lawyer3c
As is paying taxes. Are taxes, therefore, also a symbol of extremism?


Come on now. Who are you kidding that this adds anything to your argument? Ok, so...I do not support the ban. But I would like to see the back of religion. The excuses the french made for the ban were a load of ********. Burka wearing women don't often kill people. Most are decent people. Extremism does not mean committing a terror atrocity, this is not the definition. The burka helps women to adhere to extreme interpretations of religious modesty edicts that are rooted in some rather sinister attitudes. As a woman, dressing in accordance with such edicts is often done under some level of coercion. An outright order from a government via the police to strip on a public beach is the opposite of helpful. The way forward will be to educate women so that they can make better choices as to how to live.
Original post by leavingthecity
Come on now. Who are you kidding that this adds anything to your argument?

I haven't made an argument.


Ok, so...I do not support the ban. But I would like to see the back of religion. The excuses the french made for the ban were a load of ********. Burka wearing women don't often kill people. Most are decent people. Extremism does not mean committing a terror atrocity, this is not the definition. The burka helps women to adhere to extreme interpretations of religious modesty edicts that are rooted in some rather sinister attitudes. As a woman, dressing in accordance with such edicts is often done under some level of coercion. An outright order from a government via the police to strip on a public beach is the opposite of helpful. The way forward will be to educate women so that they can make better choices as to how to live.

A burkini ≠ a burka.

As for the bit in bold, that strikes me as an attack on individualism and an arrogant assumption that the government is in a position to tell people how they should dress/live.
Original post by lawyer3c
I haven't made an argument.


A burkini ≠ a burka.

As for the bit in bold, that strikes me as an attack on individualism and an arrogant assumption that the government is in a position to tell people how they should dress/live.


Hmm ok lawyer3c, pretty sure you are arguing a point of view there.

Yes burkinis and burkas as so totally dissimilar I have no idea why people are talking about both in this thread, the association I have made must be on a very very subconscious level, apologies.

As for the bit about the bit in bold; well I did state just before this that I do not agree with the ban and the way it has been enforced. Maybe you read from right to left and never got to that bit? I did not employ assumptions because I have personal experience having been religious, and then being educated out of it. But let's value individualism over the damage done by coercing people into certain lifestyles and allowing them to be immune from criticism.

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