Warnings over Brexit from the big powers

And you think HILLARY OR TRUMP will be any more lenient? Is this bait?

A second ref. would go differently if the economy has tipped downwards in the meantime. Also people are much better informed now, the Leave leaders having all admitted that they lied through their teeth during the first campaign.

You don't know many Brexit voters, do you?*

You just described yourself.

Unless Trump wins Hilary will continue as normal.

Which is still irrelevant as trade deals are done by congress and the senate, where numerous members of each have said very publicly that they will continue to trade with the UK as a matter of importance.

Alright then. But that isn't what I was replying to.

Which is still irrelevant as trade deals are done by congress and the senate, where numerous members of each have said very publicly that they will continue to trade with the UK as a matter of importance.

The polling analyses show that many people voted Leave "to give David Cameron a kicking" or "to get more money for the NHS", things like that, which have no relationship to reality.

Quod erat demonstrandum. You don't know many Brexit voters.

In fact I put it to you that you don't actually know any of us in real life. Maybe an older relative or two, maybe? Am I right?

A visceral, primal, inchoate rage caused Brexit. The like of which we haven't seen since, I don't know, the English Civil War?

It hasn't dissipated, it still simmers, up and down the country and it has nothing to do with EU contributions being spent on the NHS. In fact it hasn't got all that much to do with the EU itself!

No, that anger, bitterness, hatred, disgust towards the establishment and metropolitan elite has everything to do with the attitude (which you yourself exemplify if you don't mind my saying) that having completely f@cked the country, Remainers still think they know best and that anyone who disagrees with their failed, discredited shibboleths is too stupid to be worthy of consideration and should be ignored.

That is why if you, and the elite hold a second referendum you won't just get kicked in the head like last time. You will be told to kneel and shot.

Quod erat demonstrandum. You don't know many Brexit voters.

In fact I put it to you that you don't actually know any of us in real life. Maybe an older relative or two, maybe? Am I right?

A visceral, primal, inchoate rage caused Brexit. The like of which we haven't seen since, I don't know, the English Civil War?

It hasn't dissipated, it still simmers, up and down the country and it has nothing to do with EU contributions being spent on the NHS. In fact it hasn't got all that much to do with the EU itself!

No, that anger, bitterness, hatred, disgust towards the establishment and metropolitan elite has everything to do with the attitude (which you yourself exemplify if you don't mind my saying) that having completely f@cked the country, Remainers still think they know best and that anyone who disagrees with their failed, discredited shibboleths is too stupid to be worthy of consideration and should be ignored.

But the people you call the metropolitan elite do know best and the people like you are baying at the moon .... they are not willing to see their nation laid to waste to humour an alliance of racists, reactionary dreamers and economic loony tunes.

.... having completely f@cked the country, Remainers still think they know best and that anyone who disagrees with their failed, discredited shibboleths is too stupid to be worthy of consideration and should be ignored.

There have been other occasions since; the Gordon Riots, Chartism.

But ultimately as a nation we put Charles II back on the throne.



But the people you call the metropolitan elite do know best and the people like you are baying at the moon. The majority of the country, those who are on the sidelines of politics, who mow the lawn and go Meadowhall and walk the dog on Brighton Beach will simply see that people like you offer no solution, or no solution they, the ordinary folk are prepared to tolerate.

They weren't willing to ban Christmas to propitiate a Calvanist God. They weren'twilling to see their capital burned to the ground to support the cry of "No Popery" and they are not willing to see their nation laid to waste to humour an alliance of racists, reactionary dreamers and economic loony tunes.

Longer term, the picture is much worse. Inflation will dig in, if the £ continues to stay weak or weakens further, it will accelerate. The responsiveness of exporters to a cheap £ is in doubt, because we simply don't make enough in-demand goods and services to sell a great deal more of them at any price and also because we are near full-employment, so we can't easily produce more. (Without a further surge in inward migration, at any rate, which is deprecated apparently.) In addition, loss of the Single Market will create a black hole in the trading accounts and tax receipts will plunge, both appear likely and are currently the cause of much alarm in government.

An announcement that we are leaving the SM will trigger all of the above and more. Announcing that we have a trade deal with Australia will cut no ice.

Well considering I alluded to that fact in my first post it begs the question what were you replying to?

I just wish that the people you are describing would come clean about their racism and stop pretending it's about something else all the time.

There have been other occasions since; the Gordon Riots, Chartism.

But ultimately as a nation we put Charles II back on the throne.



But the people you call the metropolitan elite do know best and the people like you are baying at the moon. The majority of the country, those who are on the sidelines of politics, who mow the lawn and go Meadowhall and walk the dog on Brighton Beach will simply see that people like you offer no solution, or no solution they, the ordinary folk are prepared to tolerate.

They weren't willing to ban Christmas to propitiate a Calvanist God. They weren'twilling to see their capital burned to the ground to support the cry of "No Popery" and they are not willing to see their nation laid to waste to humour an alliance of racists, reactionary dreamers and economic loony tunes.

The curious thing (IMO) is that the elite usually has a strong instinct for self preservation and will usually head off widespread discontent before anything unexpectedly drastic happened... are elites just not as competent as they used to be?

Isn't that what they are doing now?

The public have been promised "Brexit means Brexit". Something called Brexit will (and will have to be) delivered eventually.

I think we can see the power of the Leave campaign diminish. The specific demand for a points based immigration system was swatted away like a fly and Farage was left as the only Brexiteer demanding a points based system regardless of whether it achieves its object or not and he gained no real support from the usual suspects in the Telegraph, Mail and Express which went to some length (although not altogether accurately) to explain why a points based system won't work.