Grammar schools to return

Well at 11 nothing rally matters because sets don't become a thing until year 8/9.

When I was at school Exams or SATS in year 9 could make or break you GCSE potential which is in reality no different. My comp couldn't find my Sats results and because I was from a poor income area decided to guess my ability level. Sets were decided directly on SATS results, albeit they are optional now. As a result many of my grades were capped for the first 6 months which directly led to poorer than expected results, seeing in some cases I simply couldn't make up the grades to get higher than C's or B's, despite getting full marks in my capped exams.

Are you trying to ironic or just don't understand how things work in the real world.

If grammar schools were to be permitted, who is going to create the policies for them to come into existence, who will do the local parent consultations, who will do the change management from single tier to a 2 tier education system across the entire England and Wales? How much would it cost to administer the entry tests and handle the appeals?

And that is just the stuff off the top of my head. Its going t costs hundreds of millions to create new grammar and secondary modern schools.

Its going to be disruptive because kids who would have gone to their nearest school could find they can't because its become a grammar and they didn't get in and have to travel to a school further away so the local council has to pay fro their transport.

What do you mean 'capped exams'?

Sets don't determine anything, as long as you are entered for the right tier at GCSE you can achieve anything with pure hard work at home.

I was targeted Cs and Bs at GCSE (from SATs) and was never in a top set. Yet I got 1A*, 5As and 5Bs.

What do you mean 'capped exams'?

I support the principle of enabling social liquidity, but I don't like the prospect of dividing children into social strata from such an early age (Year 6).

Under the old grammar system could individuals change from secondary to grammar if their grades suggested they should be moved?

I managed to increase my IQ test by 5 points between my first trial test and my actual Mensa test and thats just one my own without any tutors.

Academics have been arguing about the value of IQ and similar tests for decades and whether test results can be a function of training and have not reached a settled conclusion so I very much doubt you have access to definitive information about this that the wider academic community has not so spare me your uninformed opinion.

Quote from Theresa May:



She wants to re-allow the opening of new grammar schools and the awarding of selective school status to existing schools.

That makes no sense at all. Did you mean "are you trying to be ironic".



There is a two-tier even a three-tier system in places across the country. Do you even know what that is?

You are acting like every school will be turned into a grammar school. That's not true. It won't cost much because it's not going to be a large scale.



I'm a Tory myself and I see nothing wrong with spending extra on education. It's the future workforce. And again, you are exaggerating the scale of it.



Kids have to travel to go to school now currently. Many don't get into their first choice, even second. So most end up travelling anyway.

The council doesn't pay for their transport...

Come back to me with some good arguments and I will sacrifice my time. Im going to bed now.

Five points isn't very much, and can very well just be sampling noise.


No, left-ideologues are horrified and frightened by the implications of intelligence research, and research into heritability of mental traits more generally, because it blows their ideology out of the water. Many left-ideologues work in academia, and they have been blowing smoke rings trying to avoid people noticing or drawing conclusions from this research.

If the left were right about the extreme malleability of intelligence we wouldn't even be having these discussions. The socialist reforms since 1945 already undertaken would have observably enormously boosted everyone's intelligence and the comprehensive school programme would have achieved its stated objectives of providing education of nearly equal, and high, quality to everyone. We are having these discussions because none of that has happened and everyone knows it. For some reason reality completely failing to conform to socialism's predictions doesn't diminish faith in socialism in the slightest.

So you can tell kids the reason they didn't get into a grammar was statistical noise.

Man, you have no evidence for your claims so resort to anti left propaganda. Not very persuasive is it?

No, left-ideologues are horrified and frightened by the implications of intelligence research, and research into heritability of mental traits more generally, because it blows their ideology out of the water.

Observatory: we have already discussed this so please try to pay attention and avoid generalising. For a clever person you do seem to have a very short-term memory.

IQ research only upsets social justice liberals as you would find in universities in the US and the UK. That is only a fraction of the left's ideological positions. People like me who are pro-science are fully behind human biodiversity research. In fact the whole area is a massive support to Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist thinking, etc. Now try to remember this because I won't tell you again.

It upsets people who matter.

It upsets people who wouldn't kill you. I understand that matters to you.

But you have to remember the world is bigger than your circle. Just because you can't see us doesn't mean we're not there.

Best of luck with your imaginary assassin friends.

Let say all the comprehensive schools in a locality wants to be the grammar and none of them wants to be secondary moderns, who gets to decide which is which?

If one school is selected to be the grammar, and the other schools object and sppeal and go to court, how much would that cost the government to fight that in court? And that is just one locaility. Multiply that by hundreds of areas and you get the idea just this one small part of the grammar school plan is going to cost millions.