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Innocent Muslim attacked in NYC

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Original post by BaconandSauce
as you have been shown numerous times

The assumption that A causes B simply because A correlates with B is often not accepted as a legitimate form of argument.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation


So you think its a pure coincidence that the crime was against a Muslim? Sigh
Original post by alevelstresss
So you think its a pure coincidence that the crime was against a Muslim? Sigh


yes given it has been shown this is the case (you haven't read the updates this is clear)

You have been shown to be wrong.

'Police do not believe the man who set a Muslim woman dressed in traditional religious attire on fire in New York was motivated by anti-Muslim bias, they said on Wednesday, after more women are revealed to have been targeted.

The assumption that A causes B simply because A correlates with B is often not accepted as a legitimate form of argument.
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Original post by alevelstresss
Likewise, any mention of Islam in a news article, we see non-conclusionists go ape on Islam's ills.


Seems to be Islam vs the rest of the world doesn't it?
Original post by QE2
This man clearly had a backstory of some kind of trauma (perhaps his mother has cancer) therefore, according to your constant argument, it has nothing to do with religion and is understandable, given the context.
And how do you know she was "innocent"? Innocent of what? Everything, or a particular accusation? Perhaps the man had lost his brother to an Islamist attack and viewed any outward expression of Islamism as clear provocation? We have no way of knowing, so your use of the word is not only meaningless but clearly intended to promote your particular apologist agenda/

Also, interesting that you do not post links to articles about hate crimes perpetrated by Muslims on the grounds of religious belief. Why is that?

And just for those who don't read the article, a woman felt something warm on her arm and found a charred patch the size of a 2p piece and saw a man holding a cigarette lighter. I have seen it described elsewhere (inc. the Guardian, quelle surprise!) as "Muslim woman set on fire".


"Perhaps the man had lost his brother to an Islamist attack"

Well now you know why groups like ISIS spring up and why they despise the West so much.
Original post by HAnwar
Can you imagine if this was the other way around, the amount of hate the Muslim would have got.

But instead people are quick to defend this man and are making up excuses to defend him.

TSR back at it with the double standards.

Posted from TSR Mobile


Yep imagine if it was "Muslim refugee burns Jew in NYC".

There's a reason the horrors of the history repeat themselves- most people are thick, gullible and easily led.
Reply 205
Original post by alevelstresss
So you think its a pure coincidence that the crime was against a Muslim? Sigh
As there were three other victims around the same time in that area, and none of them were Muslims, statistically, it is more likely to be an anti-non-Muslim hate crime!

It's obviously not safe for non-Muslims to walk the streets now.
Reply 206
Original post by Pinkberry_y
Seems to be Islam vs the rest of the world doesn't it?
Well, that's kinda what it says in the Quran and sunnah.
Thankfully, not many Muslims take them all that seriously any more - but we shouldn't pretend that there isn't a sizeable minority who do.
Original post by QE2
Well, that's kinda what it says in the Quran and sunnah.
Thankfully, not many Muslims take them all that seriously any more - but we shouldn't pretend that there isn't a sizeable minority who do.


I believe the Quran says to accept others who believe in God whether they're Christian or Jew, but yes it does say Islam vs non believers of God
Reply 208
Original post by Inzamam99
Well now you know why groups like ISIS spring up and why they despise the West so much.
Yes I do. It is no secret (and never has been).
It is a combination of geopolitics and Islamic ideology.
Original post by QE2
Yes I do. It is no secret (and never has been).
It is a combination of geopolitics and Islamic ideology.


Do you try to justify the potential reasons for their actions as well?
Reply 210
Original post by Pinkberry_y
I believe the Quran says to accept others who believe in God whether they're Christian or Jew, but yes it does say Islam vs non believers of God
Questionable. There are certainly passages in the Quran and sunnah that do not speak too favourably of them.

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." - Quran 5:51

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is the tree of the Jews." - Sahih Bukhari & Muslim.
Reply 211
Original post by Inzamam99
Do you try to justify the potential reasons for their actions as well?
That does not make sense as a question. Try again please.
Original post by QE2
Questionable. There are certainly passages in the Quran and sunnah that do not speak too favourably of them.

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." - Quran 5:51

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is the tree of the Jews." - Sahih Bukhari & Muslim.


Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right (3:113-115 AYA).Nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant (5:85 AYA/82 MP).
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Apostle, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Apostle and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Apostles, and the Day of Judgement, hath gone far, far astray (4:136 AYA).We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them (3:84 AYA).

There seems to be contradictions in the Quran though, seeing as we can both find quotes for both sides of the argument
Reply 213
Original post by Pinkberry_y
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right (3:113-115 AYA).Nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant (5:85 AYA/82 MP).
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Apostle, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Apostle and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Apostles, and the Day of Judgement, hath gone far, far astray (4:136 AYA).We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them (3:84 AYA).

There seems to be contradictions in the Quran though, seeing as we can both find quotes for both sides of the argument
Indeed! That is why I said that it was "questionable".
The principle of abrogation may need to be used to see if any later verses overrule earlier ones. No time now, will try later.
Original post by Pinkberry_y
I believe the Quran says to accept others who believe in God whether they're Christian or Jew, but yes it does say Islam vs non believers of God


So we atheists (which will soon be most people in Europe) had better be careful, eh?
Original post by Good bloke
So we atheists (which will soon be most people in Europe) had better be careful, eh?


Who knows? I certainly don't
Original post by alevelstresss
So you think its a pure coincidence that the crime was against a Muslim? Sigh


This is where ignoring people gets you: the hole you dug for yourself gets ever deeper.

QE2 posted this yesterday:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...victims-police

It shows that any crime committed was not an anti-Moslem attack at all, as several non-Moslems were attacked too, though now it looks more like a deliberate act than an accident.
Original post by Good bloke
This is where ignoring people gets you: the hole you dug for yourself gets ever deeper.

QE2 posted this yesterday:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...victims-police

It shows that any crime committed was not an anti-Moslem attack at all, as several non-Moslems were attacked too, though now it looks more like a deliberate act than an accident.

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well that's what I got when I clicked the link :iiam:
Lmao OP got destroyed at the end (as usual)

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