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British lad to be extradited to US for hacking, this is so wrong!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37385201

What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.
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Joep95
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So criminal activity is acceptable as long as you do it in a country you are not a resident of.
Absolutely shocking. He should be tried in the UK and sent to an appropriate facility. US prisons are basically medieval dungeons. Look up what they do to people with mental health problems and suicidal tendencies in the USA. It's like something out of the 19th century.
Original post by joecphillips
So criminal activity is acceptable as long as you do it in a country you are not a resident of.


My main point is why are Our courts complying with the US and detaining this lad so he can be taken away from his own home country for upto 100 years in prison. The lad has mental health issues, how is he expected to cope in a US prison with all their gangs and violence?

Countries like North Korea are always hacking into other countries national computer networks but their government doesn't hand the hackers to other countries. Why should we?
We've got an extradition treaty with the USA, so if he's committed a crime that they're the victim of them then they're perfectly entitled to do this. It's also nothing to do with the EU.

99 years in jail for a non-violent offence by someone with aspergers is absurd though IMO.
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Original post by Ambitious1999
My main point is why are Our courts complying with the US and detaining this lad so he can be taken away from his own home country for upto 100 years in prison. The lad has mental health issues, how is he expected to cope in a US prison with all their gangs and violence?

Countries like North Korea are always hacking into other countries national computer networks but their government doesn't hand the hackers to other countries. Why should we?


Because we have an agreement with them meaning they also extradite suspected criminals here when asked.
It's nothing short of an absolute disgrace. The US has been embarrassed because of their shameful security and this is their pitiful way of trying to get revenge.
Original post by Plagioclase
It's nothing short of an absolute disgrace. The US has been embarrassed because of their shameful security and this is their pitiful way of trying to get revenge.


Basically this, they already know what he's done, he's clearly vulnerable and there's no logical reason why he can't face time in a jail in this country, saves them the costs of housing him behind bars for a start.

They can come and ask why their security (including ******* missile defence) is so shockingly bad and get some advice if they like.

Though I note he's mainly accused of stealing personnel info and potentially credit card details....I'm wondering how deep he really got into their systems?
It's quite simple; he got caught. The Americans are perfectly within their rights to nexpect us to do our job and arrest people who have committed crimes. What if he was a paedophile distributing porn in America? Would you expect them to do nothing and just roll over because he is abroad? Is your argument based on his mental health? This is used as mitigation in these offences so often it's unbelievable and I, for one, do not believe that he did not know what he was doing was wrong ... It's not like he is the first person in this boat. The case is almost exactly mirrored in a previous incident.

If your argument was based upon some sort of comparison between our respective attempts for extradition it might have more weight. I wonder how many requests we make to the USA are actually followed through by them.

While I share your concerns that he will be mistreated and would like him to serve time here [if found guilty] it is still up to the Americans to try him.
Ah yes, his human rights are being violated... I for one don't care. What he done was criminal and he knowingly did it of his on volition, he can appeal to serve his sentence here if found guilty, no doubt he will, and I also believe that the US would comply given his mental health. I see no problem here.
Original post by Ambitious1999
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-37385201

What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.


young...he's 31
it lucky the US aren't trying him for trason
which comes with the punishment of death he committed major scale fraud
the EU is falling apart now we've left and well the US is our ally and has more power than us so they have the command of choice
He was avenging the death of Aaron Swartz - Good on him
The US Government is currently launching a war against against hacktivists. They are subjecting them to shockingly long death sentences and abuse. So many have commited sucicide because of they way they are treated. After Snowden the US want to send a message that hacktivists will not be tolerated at all. They are doing this by giving hackers lifelong sentences for crimes that are often debateable on their actual criminality and for crimes that equate to no more than a bit of graffiti. An example of this is a US boy. He hacked into his school website in order to expose two rapists at his school. He retrieved footage that they had shared showing them raping some females at school. Youd think he ould be applauded be called a hero. No. He recieved a 16 year prison sentence ! The rapists ? 2 years.

This war against hackers has to stop!
Original post by Copperknickers
Absolutely shocking. He should be tried in the UK and sent to an appropriate facility. US prisons are basically medieval dungeons. Look up what they do to people with mental health problems and suicidal tendencies in the USA. It's like something out of the 19th century.


Sounds like more UK criminals should be sent there to receive proper punishment. Good start.
Original post by HanSoloLuck
Ah yes, his human rights are being violated... I for one don't care. What he done was criminal and he knowingly did it of his on volition, he can appeal to serve his sentence here if found guilty, no doubt he will, and I also believe that the US would comply given his mental health. I see no problem here.


Such an ********
Original post by Plagioclase
It's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.


Or, more accurately and less emotionally, we're complying with the terms of our extradition treaty with the United States.

The US has been embarrassed because of their shameful security and this is their pitiful way of trying to get revenge.


I'm not sure what the relevance of this is. Most door locks are incredibly easy to pick - that doesn't make breaking and entering any less of an offence.
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Original post by Ambitious1999
*What right does the US have to arrest and take a young lad with mental health issues from his home country and face a trial for hacking.
This is Britain, our country and our government and the EU should not be allowing this to happen. He is not American so what right do US agents have to take him from England? Why are our courts complying with the US which does not follow our own human rights protocol, surely our own custodial, system isn't going to detain him so US agents can take him away from our country.


he is 31 *
He's not young. He's in his thirties.

We have an extradition treaty with the US and since they are the victim of this crime, they have every right to try him in their own soil. The fact that he has Aspergers doesn't really matter since he is still capable of making his own decisions and he chose to do something bad. It's not he has Down's syndrome or something.
As a rule I think that people sh should be serving jail time in the country in which they commited a crime. This guy didnt break any law in the UK so he should not be in a British jail.

In this case I dont think he should be extradited without the absolute promise the death penalty willnot be pursued or that his human rights are likely to be infringed in anyway either during his trial or while in prison. I dont know if that can be assured to a high enough degree, but if it cant be, then he should stay regardless of what the US demand.
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Reue
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Disgusting. Man ought to be tried and convicted in the country that the crime was committed.

We must be one of the few countries in the world who will ship an innocent person abroad.

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