Niqab wearer asked to leave restaurant in Germany

Yes I did. I'm guessing you haven't though, unless you think it's ok that 93% of Muslims in South East Asia think that women should obey their husbands, or that only 40% of Muslims in sub-saharan Africa and only 53% in the Middle-East believe that women should have the right to choose whether they wear the veil.

PS: that isn't a meme, it's a graphic visualisation of the data which can be found there. The actual full report can be found here: http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Because if a man or woman wish to follow their religious beliefs which instruct them to be modest they have every right to do so. You cannot dictate their religion to them, you can claim it is oppressive, blah. But at the end of the day, it is their choice, their views, and their rights.

south east asia generally has a cultural problem where women are married young, expected to only be a mother etc so its not surprising. it would be same for hindus in that area.
Egypt, Jordon, Iraq and Afghanistan. Egypt the view would be changed by now I think, while Jordon Iraq and Afghanistan are generally more conservative countries.

and that meme is not reflective of the statistics, it is also portrayed in a bad light obviously for right wing appeasement. sharia has many differing interpretation's, and the study clearly shows.

if someone wishes to they can. your identity doesn't have to be displayed 24/7. if it intimidates you that's your fault, if you find it oppressive that's your view. but don't ban or dictate women over what they should or should not wear.

Depends on the country. UK is about 85% stunned.

No, it is not the same.

"You can wear everything except this" "You can only wear this".

This imbecile can't see its a woman's right to choose. This is not Saudi Arabia where women MUST wear the burka and niqab. Women have free will here.

really? so he can ban jewish people, Christian people, black people, brown people etc?

http://tellmamauk.org/category/far-right-groups/
it is hypocritical because you want to ban once certain hateful ideology but not another. The far right is growing and more people probably identify with the far right then Muslims do with is is

many nuns wear the outfit similar to a burka.

You cant find out the support rates by adding them up like that. -_-
And what polls? evidence? hopefully not ones that have al
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/no-one-in-five-muslims-do-not-support-isis-a6745206.html
ready been denounced.

Moreover, Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia: While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments – such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases. The survey also shows that Muslims differ widely in how they interpret certain aspects of sharia, including whether divorce and family planning are morally acceptable.

many nuns wear the outfit similar to a burka. the niqab is not a security threat because the majority of women who wear it are not extremists, there has not been one terrorist attack by a male wearing a burka. if a male passes security at the airport while wearing a burka it is obviously security fault, as this guy should've been under security threat.

Why is my absolute and heartfelt, spirit-uplifting passion for riding motorbikes not relevant, but a quasi-religious cultural tradition is?

So if it is optional, why all the fuss when people are asked to remove it in certain situations?
And surely you are aware that some madhabs regard it as compulsory?

But you see, the bits in bold are contradictory. If they are instructed to do something by their religion, then it is not a free choice!

This is just like the predestination/free will argument, where religionists also maintain two inherently contradictory positions but refuse to accept it because to do so would highlight an inherent contradiction in their faith.

You do know your being ridiculous? People choose to follow their religion, religion is not a man telling them they have to do this.

This is all just conjecture. Moreover, if you actually looked at the study, you would see misogyny (or at least thinking that women should obey their husbands) is clearly heavily prevalent with Muslims in all areas except Europe.
'obey' in islam: means to be a good wife and a good husband
However, the obedience that is obligatory on the wife to her husband is not blind obedience or obedience without restrictions, conditions or limits. Rather, it is the obedience of the righteous wife to the righteous and pious husband whose personality she trusts and believes in his sincerity and righteousness. Obedience that is based on consultation and mutual understanding promotes the entity of the family and its conditions and reinforces its foundations and strength. The spouses are advised to consult each other with regard to all family affairs. Indeed, there is no consultant better than a faithful and truthful wife. She supports her husband, guides him with her emotions, protects him with her instinct and provides him with her opinion. The Messenger of Allah, , would consult his wives and follow their opinion in important matters. He consulted his wife, Umm Salamah, may Allah be pleased with her, in a most critical situation. Her consultation and wise opinion were important in putting an end to that crisis and returning matters to normality. Finally, we find that Islam has organized the rights of spouses in such a way that if each of them perfectly fulfills the other's rights, he, as well as those around him, will live in a state of happiness. However, if one of them misuses this right, the marital life will fail as it is a partnership between the spouses. Islam acknowledges the rights of the wife over her husband just as it acknowledges the husband’s rights over his wife. Additionally, it has clarified the duties of each. If both of them follow the instructions and each of them knows his Islamic rights and duties, the family will live happily and will be encompassed by tranquility and the mercy of Allah The Almighty.


TIL that being against ultra-conservative values is "right-wing". Also, could you demonstrate how that picture in any way twists the data to make it look worse? Genuinely curious.

It's called integration.. If I go to a foreign country, I have to adapt to their dress code etc, so why does anyone else coming somewhere else should get exemptions? Plus, the business owner had all the rights to ask her to leave since it's his business.

What's the point to go live somewhere else if you're not going to integrate?

But many Muslims (including you?) have stated that it is a religious requirement. If it is, then devout adherents of that religion cannot freely choose to not wear it, by definition!

It really isn't a very difficult concept.

Allah: "You must wear this"
Muslimah: "Sure, but only because I want to, not because you are telling me to"

If it is not a religious requirement, then what the **** is all the fuss about?

In this context, if they refused to remove their masks, then yes.