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Why we need to unite with Assad and Russia to destroy IS in Syria?

All these terror attacks Paris, Nice, Tunisia, Minnesota and now New York are being caused by IS, Daesh, NOT by Assad but by IS!

The only effective ground forces in Syria to fight this evil organisation, are the regime forces under Assad. The west had the Kurds but they withdrew their support for Syrian Kurds and ruined that special relationship to keep Turkey happy. The rebels can't be trusted so that only leaves the regime forces.

That means the west needs to cooperate with Russia and Iran to retake Syria from the growing IS. The west needs to ignore advice from Turkey.

A deal could be made that the west will support and arm Assad so long as he allows humanitarian relief into Allepo and takes the fight to IS.

These terror attacks are becoming a frequent problem and the only way to stop them is to support Assad.
A huge anti IS force will be needed including Iranian troops and Russian troops and NATO troops would be even better!

Regime forces can take Raqqa from the south with extra regime forces transported to Iraq to move in from the East and Airbourne regime forces parachuted into Northern Allepo province and Affrin to move in on Raqqa from the west liberating Al Bab and Manbij.
Once Raqqa has fallen the regime will control a line stretching from the Iraqi border to Affrin. They can then move North to liberate Kobane and Haskah.

Forces then move south liberating Deir Ezzor and areas around Palmyra. This would be like D day.

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Well America's hardly helping
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The reason why we should never become allies with Assad is because he has killed 300,000+ people because the of Syrian's decided they wanted to exercise their freedom of speech 5 years ago.

Also Daesh only exist because Assad destroyed the strong security Syria once had by starting a civil war and murdering his own innocent civilians.

Lastly, Russia is providing the weapons to the terrorist Assad to MURDER even more of his own people which is why which shouldn't be allies with them.

Oh and also we should not IN ANY way support the Kurds because the UN has accused them of ethnically cleansing Arabs so they can create their own fake state.

BTW, for your information we could probably help Turkey, who are right now fighting ISIS, to help them completely destroy Daesh, without using the murderous help of the terrorist Assad or the traitors who call themselves Russia.
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Youve changed your tune ambitious 1999. It was only a few months ago and you were pleading the case of ISIS and telling us we were losing and we must sue for peace like a hood little surrender moneky.

IS isnt growing.

the west isnt going to arm Assad because they will only use such weapons to butcher the syrian opposition.

Your idea that we are going to have something akin to D Day is ridiculous. The west wont commit any troops because it doesnt like them returning in body bags and would rather the status quo continues. Therwe was terrorism a long time before ISIS and it wont stop even if defeated in Syria.
If Bashar was removed in 2012, ISIS would've never existed.
Original post by 713Wave
The reason why we should never become allies with Assad is because he has killed 300,000+ people because the of Syrian's decided they wanted to exercise their freedom of speech 5 years ago.

Also Daesh only exist because Assad destroyed the strong security Syria once had by starting a civil war and murdering his own innocent civilians.

Lastly, Russia is providing the weapons to the terrorist Assad to MURDER even more of his own people which is why which shouldn't be allies with them.

Oh and also we should not IN ANY way support the Kurds because the UN has accused them of ethnically cleansing Arabs so they can create their own fake state.

BTW, for your information we could probably help Turkey, who are right now fighting ISIS, to help them completely destroy Daesh, without using the murderous help of the terrorist Assad or the traitors who call themselves Russia.


The Syrian civil war started because jihadist rebels were taking over towns and cities in 2011 as part of the Al Queda backed Arab spring. Quite rightly Assad didn't want to be publicly murdered as Gadaffi was or see his country taken over by Muslim brotherhood like Egypt was initially. He had to restore order.

Initially Syrian police were only trying to restore order but were coming under attack from jihadists and so the Syrian Army was sent in to restore order.

Many of these rebel controlled areas converted to Islamic state as the extreme jihadists had used the western backed FSA as a Trojan horse.

As for the Kurds, we No longer support the Kurds (at the request of Turkey) despite them being the only effective force against IS.
Original post by 713Wave
Oh and also we should not IN ANY way support the Kurds because the UN has accused them of ethnically cleansing Arabs so they can create their own fake state.


What even is a "fake state"? The Kurdish people are a distinctive people with their own culture and language. They are fully entitled to the right for self-determination. There is no doubt that some Kurdish groups have committed war crimes, but that is not an argument against the Kurdish peoples right to self-determination. The Nazi's committed the holocaust, but that did not make Germany a "fake state". Before and after the holocaust, the German people continued to be a distinctive ethnic group with their own language and culture. Not all Germans were culpable for the actions of the Nazi's, and not all Kurds are culpable for any war crimes committed by armed Kurdish groups.
Original post by 713Wave

Oh and also we should not IN ANY way support the Kurds because the UN has accused them of ethnically cleansing Arabs so they can create their own fake state.

BTW, for your information we could probably help Turkey, who are right now fighting ISIS, to help them completely destroy Daesh, without using the murderous help of the terrorist Assad or the traitors who call themselves Russia.


The UN did not accuse the Kurds of ethnic cleansing. Amnesty international accused them of a few incidents of forced displacement, which is nowhere near the scale required to count as ethnic cleansing. And the incidents AI reported are very heavily questionable, with some of the witnesses they relied on not actually being there when the YPG took over, having fled the area while ISIS was still in control and the YPG was approaching. So there's nothing conclusive on that. Even counting these incidents as if they were proven, the YPG still has the cleanest human rights record of pretty much any faction in Syria, even if it is not perfect.

The only reason Turkey are active against ISIS now is because they don't want the Kurds to take the ISIS held areas in northern Aleppo. That is the real motivation for their intervention. And the rebel groups they're supporting have a worse human rights record than the YPG/SDF does.
Original post by Pinkberry_y
Well America's hardly helping


Tell the Kurds that*
Original post by 713Wave
The reason why we should never become allies with Assad is because he has killed 300,000+ people because the of Syrian's decided they wanted to exercise their freedom of speech 5 years ago.

Also Daesh only exist because Assad destroyed the strong security Syria once had by starting a civil war and murdering his own innocent civilians.

Lastly, Russia is providing the weapons to the terrorist Assad to MURDER even more of his own people which is why which shouldn't be allies with them.

Oh and also we should not IN ANY way support the Kurds because the UN has accused them of ethnically cleansing Arabs so they can create their own fake state.

BTW, for your information we could probably help Turkey, who are right now fighting ISIS, to help them completely destroy Daesh, without using the murderous help of the terrorist Assad or the traitors who call themselves Russia.




Yeah and Erdogan is cleaner than clean the way his forces have been attacking and killing Kurds in Eastern Turkey. Cizre a Kurdish town in Eastern Turkey looks more like Aleppo with all the shelling Turkish forces have done. So don't say Assad is the only bad guy.
Original post by Ambitious1999
Yeah and Erdogan is cleaner than clean the way his forces have been attacking and killing Kurds in Eastern Turkey. Cizre a Kurdish town in Eastern Turkey looks more like Aleppo with all the shelling Turkish forces have done. So don't say Assad is the only bad guy.


Actually Erdogan is clean. The only groups he is fighting are Daesh and The PKK (and groups that support them), both of them are blacklisted terrorists groups. Also nothing is Kurdish.

Kurdistan has never existed, so don't refer to any region in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran as kurdish.
Original post by Ambitious1999
The Syrian civil war started because jihadist rebels were taking over towns and cities in 2011 as part of the Al Queda backed Arab spring. Quite rightly Assad didn't want to be publicly murdered as Gadaffi was or see his country taken over by Muslim brotherhood like Egypt was initially. He had to restore order.

Initially Syrian police were only trying to restore order but were coming under attack from jihadists and so the Syrian Army was sent in to restore order.

Many of these rebel controlled areas converted to Islamic state as the extreme jihadists had used the western backed FSA as a Trojan horse.

As for the Kurds, we No longer support the Kurds (at the request of Turkey) despite them being the only effective force against IS.


First of all stop brainwashing yourself with propaganda from FOX news. When the protest started in 2011, it was because the Syrians had enough of living under a repressive dictatorship where only the select few people lived the high life. His father, Hafiz Al Assad was a horrible person. He effectively took over Lebanon with his military and treated both countries like some old dog that constantly needed beating to do the job.
When he died it was party time..... that's how hated he was!
And Bashar was the same........ in actual fact the Lebanese had enough. The Bullying, terrorist government effectively got rid of the democracy Lebanon once had and was slowly destroying the freedoms we take for granted here in the west.

so in response to this the Lebanese protested and kicked out Bashar's government leaving him to only beat up Syria. THis is to show how bad he is!
The lebanese had a massive party of afterwards, to celebrate the removal of the brutal, hated dictator who's name is Bashar al assad.

In Syria, he took away their (the people of Syria's) freedoms, limited their prosperity and he institutionalized racism, discrimination, sexism and run the country like a Nazi military training camp. And worst of all, Bashar was being influenced by IMAM KHOMENI of Iran. The Syrians realized this was very BAD and got off their butts to solve the situation.
On top of that.... Bashar had been dictator for 11 years and not once did he deliver on his promise to offer the vote to Syrians so they could vote in who thought was best to run the country.

The only to solve this abysmal situation, way was to protest.

This went against what Bashar believed was 'best for Syria' by (told to him by his father) and decided to solve situation Stalin style, kill everyone!!!!!
Whats even more funny is the fact that Bashar himself is the one who broke the order in Syria by deciding to become a terrorist and slaughtering 300,000 PEOPLE!

After the civil war had started, that's when AL Qaeda appeared, because they saw a chance to grow. However they didn't stay long because, ISIS, who were a part of AL Qaeda, also came to Syria to grow. Al Qaeda left after realizing that they were 'too extreme'.

Also many rebels have stayed rebels. The only reason why you haven't heard of them is because right now the media are too busy brainwashing the public about Daesh.

Oh and if Bashar, didn't want to get killed like Qaddafi, then what he had to do was simple..... offer a fair vote for presidency. Qaddafi got killed because he was also murdering his own people.
the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt was democratically elected in and was only removed because a whole bunch of opposers (who didn't represent the country) took to the streets.
Also its a good thing we don't support the Kurds, they have ethnically cleansed people via killing them, and are trying to form a state they don't have a right to form!
If they were to form a country it would be run by the blacklisted terrorist group, the PKK!

Lastly if Bashar Al Assad was 'fighting off extremist terrorists' then WHY THE HELL has he invited in Hizbullah (most people call them Hizbul-shaytan), who are also a black-listed terrorist group, to HELP him do the dirty work of slaughtering AND Torturing innocent civillians!
This Fact alone proves that your pathetic theory of 'Assad started fighting off terrorists' is Completely untrue and a massive lie. PERIOD!!!
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Original post by 713Wave
Actually Erdogan is clean. The only groups he is fighting are Daesh and The PKK (and groups that support them), both of them are blacklisted terrorists groups. Also nothing is Kurdish.

Kurdistan has never existed, so don't refer to any region in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran as kurdish.


Iraqi Kurdistan is recognised as an autonomous region of the country by the Iraqi constitution. Rojava is defacto independent. Kurdish regions inhabited by Kurdish people.
Also, Erdogan is a Islamist despot ISIS supporter. Turkey didn't intervene in the Syrian civil war to fight ISIS, they intervened to prevent the Kurds controlling the entire border. The video of Turkish-backed FSA rebels cursing American special forces and forcing them to leave tells you all you need to know about Turkey and the FSA's ideology and intentions.
Original post by 713Wave
Actually Erdogan is clean. The only groups he is fighting are Daesh and The PKK (and groups that support them), both of them are blacklisted terrorists groups. Also nothing is Kurdish.

Kurdistan has never existed, so don't refer to any region in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran as kurdish.



Ok then so does that mean Iraqi Kurdistan is also a false state because its leader Barzani was a terrorist who fought against Saddam Hussein in the 1980s and 90s?

It seems the west is doing what Turkey asks of them and that is to make Kurds enemies of each other. Consequently the Syrian Kurds are now the foes of the US while Iraqi Kurds are freinds and the west rubs their noses in it by generous supplies of weapons to bolster the Iraqi Kurdish forces.
By contrast Syrian Kurds get told by the US to respect Turkey and stop attacking IS and retreat back to Kobane. (Btw Rojava isn't even part of Turkey, its in Syria, so what happens in Syria is none of Erdogan's bloody business.)

So I can see what's happening. Syrian Kurds get forced out of Syria to seek refuge in Iraqi Kurdistan and this will create conflict there.

Where do you draw the line? Are Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga as bad as the PKK because they fought against Tyrant Saddam Hussein? So why are they recognised, but PKK are not recognised who are fighting the Tyrant Erdogan?
Original post by Ambitious1999
Ok then so does that mean Iraqi Kurdistan is also a false state because its leader Barzani was a terrorist who fought against Saddam Hussein in the 1980s and 90s?

It seems the west is doing what Turkey asks of them and that is to make Kurds enemies of each other. Consequently the Syrian Kurds are now the foes of the US while Iraqi Kurds are freinds and the west rubs their noses in it by generous supplies of weapons to bolster the Iraqi Kurdish forces.
By contrast Syrian Kurds get told by the US to respect Turkey and stop attacking IS and retreat back to Kobane. (Btw Rojava isn't even part of Turkey, its in Syria, so what happens in Syria is none of Erdogan's bloody business.)

So I can see what's happening. Syrian Kurds get forced out of Syria to seek refuge in Iraqi Kurdistan and this will create conflict there.

Where do you draw the line? Are Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga as bad as the PKK because they fought against Tyrant Saddam Hussein? So why are they recognised, but PKK are not recognised who are fighting the Tyrant Erdogan?


"Ok then so does that mean Iraqi Kurdistan is also a false state because its leader Barzani was a terrorist who fought against Saddam Hussein in the 1980s and 90s?"

Firstly I have no idea what Saddam Hussein has do with any of this. But in answer to the question..... YES. He was (as you said) a terrorist! He has killed people left, right and center, a lot of which were innocent civilians. He will also be partly responsible for the ethnic cleansing taking place right now in North Western Iraq. All of this just create an illegitimate state using MURDEROUS force.

N.B: Kurdistan is JUST a region in Iraq..... Not a country.... A REGION! being a region is just like being a county here in the UK. That doesn't give you the right to steal land from a sovereign state and form your own illegal country. PERIOD!

"(Btw Rojava isn't even part of Turkey, its in Syria, so what happens in Syria is none of Erdogan's bloody business.)"

BTW, as far as I know Rojava (or the majority) no longer exists.... why? simple this is land That DOES NOT belong to the Kurds.
Second of all, it is Erdogan's business of what goes on in Syria, not just because there is a tonne of asylum seekers coming in.... but also because IF the Kurds get more land, they will think they are 'invincible' and will cause political turmoil and will continue to carry out terrorist bombings within Turkey. Something the country escaped from years AGO!
This is a security issue and is every bit of Erdogan's business as Kurdistani's themselves.

"Are Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga as bad as the PKK because they fought against Tyrant Saddam Hussein? So why are they recognised, but PKK are not recognised who are fighting the Tyrant Erdogan?"

All of the Kurdish forces are guilty as each other (and i would say as Bad as Daesh) for the slaughtering they have committed. And also lets think about it. What have ISIS done..... they armed themselves, currently fighting off opposition and have created their own oppressive fake state. They have slaughtered many People!!!!
what have the Kurdistanis done????? Oh wait a minute, they have done the exact same! Their atrocities are very much under reported.

In addition, They fought off Saddam Hussein, and NOTHING has been improved. In actual fact, the Kurdistani's have contributed to Iraq's demise and decline ever since the removal of HUSSEIN, going against the wishes of the masses.
In addition They still get attacked as they were under Hussein s rule. Why...... because it was IRAN that was attacking them..... Not so much Hussein. But of course the media would never tell you that.

Lastly Erdogan is not a tyrant, but a democratically elected president who has brought turkey up from the dull-drums of military coup's to the prosperity it is experiencing today.
The fact that Kurdish terrorist groups are fighting off a democratically and fairly elected president (once again 100% going against the wishes of the masses), shows they are not a credible, not to be trusted in any way, shape or form.


The line is drawn by helping turkey and not helping and destroying any terrorist groups (including the kurds), murderous dictators and maintaining stability in all sovereign states to stop the formation or growth of any terrorist groups!
Original post by 713Wave
"Ok then so does that mean Iraqi Kurdistan is also a false state because its leader Barzani was a terrorist who fought against Saddam Hussein in the 1980s and 90s?"

Firstly I have no idea what Saddam Hussein has do with any of this. But in answer to the question..... YES. He was (as you said) a terrorist! He has killed people left, right and center, a lot of which were innocent civilians. He will also be partly responsible for the ethnic cleansing taking place right now in North Western Iraq. All of this just create an illegitimate state using MURDEROUS force.

N.B: Kurdistan is JUST a region in Iraq..... Not a country.... A REGION! being a region is just like being a county here in the UK. That doesn't give you the right to steal land from a sovereign state and form your own illegal country. PERIOD!

"(Btw Rojava isn't even part of Turkey, its in Syria, so what happens in Syria is none of Erdogan's bloody business.)"

BTW, as far as I know Rojava (or the majority) no longer exists.... why? simple this is land That DOES NOT belong to the Kurds.
Second of all, it is Erdogan's business of what goes on in Syria, not just because there is a tonne of asylum seekers coming in.... but also because IF the Kurds get more land, they will think they are 'invincible' and will cause political turmoil and will continue to carry out terrorist bombings within Turkey. Something the country escaped from years AGO!
This is a security issue and is every bit of Erdogan's business as Kurdistani's themselves.

"Are Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga as bad as the PKK because they fought against Tyrant Saddam Hussein? So why are they recognised, but PKK are not recognised who are fighting the Tyrant Erdogan?"

All of the Kurdish forces are guilty as each other (and i would say as Bad as Daesh) for the slaughtering they have committed. And also lets think about it. What have ISIS done..... they armed themselves, currently fighting off opposition and have created their own oppressive fake state. They have slaughtered many People!!!!
what have the Kurdistanis done????? Oh wait a minute, they have done the exact same! Their atrocities are very much under reported.

In addition, They fought off Saddam Hussein, and NOTHING has been improved. In actual fact, the Kurdistani's have contributed to Iraq's demise and decline ever since the removal of HUSSEIN, going against the wishes of the masses.
In addition They still get attacked as they were under Hussein s rule. Why...... because it was IRAN that was attacking them..... Not so much Hussein. But of course the media would never tell you that.

Lastly Erdogan is not a tyrant, but a democratically elected president who has brought turkey up from the dull-drums of military coup's to the prosperity it is experiencing today.
The fact that Kurdish terrorist groups are fighting off a democratically and fairly elected president (once again 100% going against the wishes of the masses), shows they are not a credible, not to be trusted in any way, shape or form.


The line is drawn by helping turkey and not helping and destroying any terrorist groups (including the kurds), murderous dictators and maintaining stability in all sovereign states to stop the formation or growth of any terrorist groups!


You're obviously anti-Kurdish, but about Barzani the Kurdish leader of Iraqi Kurdistan. He idolises Erdogan to the extent that he despises the PKK. He even had the nerve to tell the PKK to stop calling for an autonomous Kurdish region in Eastern Turkey because it was upsetting Erdogan. The same Barzani who fought against Saddam and the same Barzani who enjoys the same level of autonomy in post Saddam Iraq as the PKK only want for Kurds in Turkey.

So what do you make of that?

Btw the YPG only want a modern liberal secular autonomous Kurdish zone in a federal Syria. Not a fully independent nation. A place where woman have rights, where direct democracy rules.
Original post by 713Wave
The reason why we should never become allies with Assad is because he has killed 300,000+ people because the of Syrian's decided they wanted to exercise their freedom of speech 5 years ago.

Also Daesh only exist because Assad destroyed the strong security Syria once had by starting a civil war and murdering his own innocent civilians.

Lastly, Russia is providing the weapons to the terrorist Assad to MURDER even more of his own people which is why which shouldn't be allies with them.

Oh and also we should not IN ANY way support the Kurds because the UN has accused them of ethnically cleansing Arabs so they can create their own fake state.

BTW, for your information we could probably help Turkey, who are right now fighting ISIS, to help them completely destroy Daesh, without using the murderous help of the terrorist Assad or the traitors who call themselves Russia.


You do realise most of those dead by far are are combatants don't you? You surely must also realise that out of the collatural a good portion will be from our forces?
Original post by Ambitious1999
You're obviously anti-Kurdish, but about Barzani the Kurdish leader of Iraqi Kurdistan. He idolises Erdogan to the extent that he despises the PKK. He even had the nerve to tell the PKK to stop calling for an autonomous Kurdish region in Eastern Turkey because it was upsetting Erdogan. The same Barzani who fought against Saddam and the same Barzani who enjoys the same level of autonomy in post Saddam Iraq as the PKK only want for Kurds in Turkey.

So what do you make of that?

Btw the YPG only want a modern liberal secular autonomous Kurdish zone in a federal Syria. Not a fully independent nation. A place where woman have rights, where direct democracy rules.


"You're obviously anti-Kurdish"

No,
I'm anti Kurdistani Terrorist groups..... there is a difference you know!

"He even had the nerve to tell the PKK to stop calling for an autonomous Kurdish region in Eastern Turkey because it was upsetting Erdogan."

He shouldn't be saying that because he idolises Erdogan, he should be saying it because he realises that Ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq Is wrong and he should realise That Kurdistan is only a REGION, Nothing more.

"Btw the YPG only want a modern liberal secular autonomous Kurdish zone in a federal Syria. Not a fully independent nation."

In Syria, there never was any Kurdistani region. You just had Kurds living in different areas of Syria (this was before the civil war started off.....by the terrorist Assad). Therefore they obviously have no right to form the their own region, never mind their own country.

"A place where woman have rights, where direct democracy rules"

Before the civil war started, All women had rights, however, once again, this was destroyed by Terrorist assad. There would have been full democratic rule if assad had fulfilled his promise of giving the vote to all Syrian people.
If only it were that simple. So long as Assad rules in Syria, there will be fighting. The fighting means that towns and cities in Syria become desolate, damaged and deprived. When we have this deprivation, there is room for extremists to move in.

Assad might not have ordered the terrorist attacks we've seen in Europe and America, but he has done equally bad, if not worse things.
Original post by MrControversial
You do realise most of those dead by far are are combatants don't you? You surely must also realise that out of the collatural a good portion will be from our forces?


What a stupid thing to say. Firstly our forces got involved LOOOOOOONNNNG after the civil war started. Second of all, before the FSA was EVEN FORMED, assad was already bombing large civilian/ residential areas of Syria. Thirdly the FSA and all terrorist groups combined do not even COME CLOSE to totalling 300,000 people. Secondly this 300,000+ dead people figure are coming from relief workers coming from the ground, with information being passed onto the UN to be processed to make sure it is correct. Its the most reliable, repeatable and accurate information out there and means your statement is ENTIRELY BS.

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