EU protection racket threatens to kneecap England

The 'mismanagement' is exacerbated hugely because they have lack of economic sovereignty and are in the single currency. Of course they didn't have the somewhat dubious benefits of 'single market' membership, before, but it amazes me how these blindly in love EUphiles, who will accept no criticism(who are a large part of what lost the referendum) simply deny facts- they never had levels of unemployment or poverty like that, you'd have to go back to Franco and the dictatorship when Spain, did, when they were in the Peseta, they were far better off. I'm not denying that the EU may have benefited Germany, and the like of Poland maybe(although Poland actually is not in the Eurozone) but these are very different cultures and economies...they would be far better off with the flexibility of their own currencies, not to mention tax policies(which the EU seeks to now harmonize)and contrary to the propaganda, in favour of globalism, there is much credible economic opinion to support that. And why do we need and EU army when we have NATO and the UN?

This is just every unnaccountable bureaucracts dream, another layer of politicos, lunching it decadently, obliterating democracy and national sovereignty, and causing economic misery with their high handed arrogance.

I am saying that our economy is the 5th largest in the world. The EU has sat on it's hands and has a bad record. They are protectionist. We are in terms of population, both small proportions of China, but anyhow, there is so much more to trade than China, there is the commonwealth and anglosphere, India, Australia et al cueing up.

You are sold on this thing and totally negating the UK's hand in the world.

There is Japan, OZ, USA, China, India- all totally different sizes. They make their way.

We are held back by an EU with a terrible economic model and history, and people act as though our entire mercantile, rich global history is irrelevant, it isn't and history pertains to the future. You people are much , much to negative, and far too blind to the faults of the EU. I think you lack philosophical perspective, too, with respect.

They get 5/8 most arrogant, and 6/8 least compassionate.

Once again, like on the economic point, I'm the one being objective, yoiu are the one making ludicruous claims. 'Uk's economy is hopeless and insignificant compared to Germanys.' I do not state nonsense like Germany having a hopeless tiny economy, I simply use objectivity to show that the above statement is nonsense. 'Everyone hates you and Germany is widely loved' Again, I don't state that we are so much more loved, I simply show you the above which portrays it clearly isn't like that.

You are consumed by bitterness.

And, as I say, there would be none of this animosity, if the EU had that much to objectively commend it, and the UK was really and irrelevance. Why would you go on like this? The EU would be totally secure, successful, and you wouldn't be bothered by an irrelevance like us. The fact ius anyone looking at your posts can see this isn't the case- the EU is the OP says a protection racket, it has to use blackmail and threats to keep people in, it is authoritarian and anti-democratic and detrimental to most of it's citizens, so hence a nation not being cowed and leaving will break the status quo and precipitate other nations to be emboldened that maybe they can escape the blackmail and bring to an end this damaging vision. You are well aware of this- it is why you people blindly defend the faults of the EU that mystifies me, as it is the reason why it will fail- more arrogance, more authoritarianism, more conceit and knowing what's best, more obliterating democracy and threats.

Because there is zero factual evidence that it is, you are just talking out of your nationalist ass, as usual.



Factually wrong. You're a joke, mate.



'using the currency thing'? You mean stating the fact that the Pound plummeted as a precursor to the years-long recession you lot will experience? It helping the tiny exports that you actually have (it's not like you have an industry to speak of) will not even come close to canceling that out.

Mate, I am the opposite of bitter. I am gloating. I am making you realize just how much you messed up, and how much your generation will suffer.



As I have said multiple times, the EU will punish Britain not because it is so relevant - but because it has committed treason against the European idea that we all hold dear. Do you really think the EU wants to pick a fight because it sees Britain as a danger? You weren't even close to being the biggest economy in Europe, and now you're up against a bloc with 10x the economic power.

The EU is highly beneficial to the vast majority of its citizens, it's just been you lot who always wanted a better deal and more privileges - it's telling how you little Englander internalized the propaganda of the Leave campaign (virtually all of which has been long debunked as lies).

There is no arrogance or authoritarianism in the EU - what are you even talking about? The EU has democratic bodies, is governed by a clear set of rules, and offers the same chances to all its members.

OK, so I can quote you on all this after the French and German elections, after a couple of years, yeah? You are positive the EU is not going to split?

There are polls that show more French and Dutch oppose it than Brits.
You can't even argue on the basis of any facts, you have little good to say about the EU- it is a miserable authoritarian vision.

The fact that you revert back over and over to calling Brits nationalist and racist shows how cheap you are and how little commends the EU.

You stuck 6 million jews in gas chambers, and wanted to dominate Europe.

You now have decimated southern Europe but want to teach them all German. Touching.

You refuse to accept the blatantly obvious fact that Europe can be inward looking and have a nationalism, that contains nations within nations, in exactly the same way Britain can be an identity with nations within nations.

Austrian and European, plus two flags, plus no more political union beyond the borders of Europe.

Not nationalist.

Welsh and British, plus no more political union beyond the Channel.

Nationalist.

Especially when the UK has more mixed race marriages and children than anywhere on earth, particularly London.

If you were going to make objective arguments for economics benefits, that accepted flaws in the EU, or any need of reform, and didn't resort to cheap, baseless insults, and demean swathes of the British people, who you have no understanding of, I may have taken more remainers cases with respect.

This **** is just insufferable. Arrogance, myopia, refusal to accept criticism, you act like some little God, as if everyone should just fall in line and do as they are told when you insult their countries en masse , and promote the same anti-democratic authoritarianism and inflexibility that is wrecking Europe as we speak. On top of this you offer everyone sanctimonious moral lectures if they don't do as told.

I am not, based on the UK's track record, going to listen to moral lectures about bigotry from the Germans. Even today there are many Neo-Nazis, and in eastern Europe.

Look, please tell me why I should be bitter. Please do. My country is winning! We were dominating you lot economically and politically (and on the football pitch) left and right already, and you idiots just shot yourself in the foot in a historic mistake, showing the whole world how small-minded and nationalistic you are.

I beg you to. Of course it won't split. People in the rest of Europe are actually sensible and know what they have in the EU.



Please, please do show me those polls that show that more people in France and/or the Netherlands are in favor of leaving the EU than the share of people who voted Leave in the UK.



Decimated? We bailed them out. You really are deluded.



Terrible comparison, many difference. Austria doesn't aggressively pursue national interests within the EU. Austria and the rest of the EU are much less homogeneous economically, politically, and culturally than the constituent 'nations' of the UK.



If those mixed marriages vote Leave to get Britain a better deal compared to other European nations because they think Britain deserves it, they're still nationalists. Sorry, buddy.



The EU has flaws, but they're minor, and unavoidable when so many cultures and interests need to be reconciled. My 'insults' are not baseless, they are based on the very obvious and rather disgusting motivation of Leave voters to cast their vote - and you are a prime example.

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The lack of "sovereignty" makes them pay out 13 months pay, not collect taxes, cheat their way into the Euro with Goldman? It makes Spain say, well hey look at other countries doing something for their youth, we don't care if we have 50% youth unemployment, we can't do anything about it.

Your posts are an embarrassment to human intellect.

No, you are vastly overestimating your hand. Something I have found the Brits to generally do a lot of.

And that last part, just lel. What does philosophy even have to do with this?

So why does Joseph Stiglitz, nobel winning economist, oppose the Eurozone and say it is causing disaster for southern Europe. Why did he back Brexit and oppose TTIP? Is he thick? Why did Southern Europe never have such unemployment outside the Eurozone? Why are the richest countries in GDP per Capita in Europe outside the EU?

You people remind me of the people in the UK, who though those who opposed Iraq were complete idiots, and followed the media and political classes line, and hectored anyone who didn't, even though all the experts on the region knew what would happen.

A single economist that know better than all others? And there are many that oppose TTIP and it is far from certain, and even if it comes, it won't be what it was in the leaked documents. What a ridiculous notion.

Ah so you are just another EU 'friend' who hates Britain and wants a cowed Britain.


Philosophy has a lot to do with it- politics is driven by short termists, soulless utilitarians and bean counters. Instead of people with a philosophical or historical perspective that pertains to the future.

I wasn't thinking of some BS NHS figures, or some crap from Osbourne about house prices or household bills, only more threats to screw the poorer people from a Tory government- why would we reward that crap?

I thought of climate change, rapidly accelerating, I though of 7/8 centuries of history, I though of independent countries and their respective sizes and economies and quality of lives, all over the world, I thought of accountability, democracy, liberty, and centuries into the future. You people are hysterical and short termist, your only case, your best one, was the short term fear based one, a very short term economic one based on instability. In terms of the long term geopolitics, history, and judging by non-Euro countries, quality of life and GDP per person, not to mention liberty, leave won.

It's fine if some remainers disagree, it's just the ones who try and smear every person who made the decision, who are making my point for me- they are simply miserable authoritarians who demand obedience of thought and a constricted future. The temperament and arguments of such people just pushed me even further to leave, showed how they have to use an abusive relationship and blackmail to keep us in.

All that opinion came from people who depend on the status quo and are funded by the EU...come of it, the EU can fund people to get it's vision favourably portrayed, that is not rocket science and you know it.

There is a hypocrisy over experts- this guy is one, top of his game, and totally and utterly independent, with no dog in the fight.

Also it is cute to think that somehow by voting out of the EU, all this will change. That an English government will somehow be different than an EU one. But ah well, at least you can vote them out next time. .

No.

What you fail to see is that many people are not actually against EU as much as against the establishment, and the establishment was mostly pro-EU. This is reflected in votes everywhere around the world, most notably Trump's success and Sanders' almost success.
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Also it is cute to think that somehow by voting out of the EU, all this will change. .