To people who believe in God, could you answer my questions?

yeah much more likely it's a god and not just that you're emotionally unstable. gotta protect that ego

i'll be respectful but i won't tread on eggshells because you're trying to provide your mum's experience (which can be explained away easily) as some miraculous act of god. the same way you have an urge to describe your mothers anecdote as holy, i have an equal urge to describe it as totally natural.

i mean very simply put it's possible the doctors were just wrong - doctors have been wrong before, right? and considering this was a few years ago (likely in a non-western hospital?) i'd guess that it's more likely they were just wrong about your mothers fertility than it being a god. also the fact your mother just happens to visit holy indian sites means she is probably quite succeptible to this stuff and would totally explain why she attributed the pregnancies to it.

magical berries and god-in-drag had nothing to do with her pregnancies and you're naive to think they did.

I do think that it's more likely to be God, feel free to disagree.

I really want Atheists/ agnostics or anyone who disagrees to completely RESPECT this thread. I can't prevent debate, I'm pretty sure it's inevitable on a thread like this but I just don't want this thread to be 17 pages of insulting dribble on why Prophet Muhammed was a pedophile, or how Islam is unfair to women etc etc

Please keep things respectful and non-judgemental

I've been reading and watching a lot of debates/documentaries on religion/God and his existence (a hobby I seem to have taken up recently), and a lot of the debates are fuelled by complex philosophical arguments and enter this weird realm between Philosophy and Science to back up their points, which is extremely interesting but leaves me a tad bit unsatisfied at times. I honestly really just want to keep this extremely simple.

So I want to ask anyone who believes in God:

1)What religion do you belong to?

2)Have you "experienced" God in any way, shape or form?

3)What was your experience?

4)Do you believe you will meet/experience God one day?

No, I just expect you not to blatantly disrespectful. That is all.

It was a western hospital, many doctors and hospitals here in London actually.

They were not "magical" and sikhs don't believe in "magic" anyway.

It's not about the berries but the fact that in such a crowded place, and if you ever visited you would see it is packed, to tap my mum on the shoulder and hand her exactly what she had been wanting and wishing for the whole time?

How did she "just happen to visit a holy indian site"? lmao

not just disagree but shake my head with disappointment.

okay so a western hospital was wrong (less likely than some shanty-town hospital being wrong but it still happens all the time -- plenty stories about cancer misdiagnosis reported by media for example)

as for her to just unlikely be tapped on the shoulder well it doesn't seem that unlikely to me. she was searching for some magical fruit and a kindly elderly lady (who your mother is convinced is god in drag) gave her some. as for "how did just happen to visit a holy indian site" the place in question we are talking about as you said was some ridiculous holy indian place right? where they grow magical berries

edit; do the guys running it have to buy magical seeds for the berries? where do they buy them from?

You're so f***ing disrespectful, I'm not even going to respond. Go troll somewhere else. Bye

yeah how dare i respond with critical thinking to your silly little anecdote. why dont you go pick some magical berries if they are so good then you can use them and come back and destroy me in a debate when they bestow upon you their magical powers.

You're ignorant on everything Sikhism is about. How could I possibly take you seriously?

There is no "magic" in Sikhi.

You called the Harmandir Sahib ridiculous?

I don't argue with idiots.

I really want Atheists/ agnostics or anyone who disagrees to completely RESPECT this thread. I can't prevent debate, I'm pretty sure it's inevitable on a thread like this but I just don't want this thread to be 17 pages of insulting dribble on why Prophet Muhammed was a pedophile, or how Islam is unfair to women etc etc

Please keep things respectful and non-judgemental

I've been reading and watching a lot of debates/documentaries on religion/God and his existence (a hobby I seem to have taken up recently), and a lot of the debates are fuelled by complex philosophical arguments and enter this weird realm between Philosophy and Science to back up their points, which is extremely interesting but leaves me a tad bit unsatisfied at times. I honestly really just want to keep this extremely simple.

So I want to ask anyone who believes in God:

1)What religion do you belong to?

2)Have you "experienced" God in any way, shape or form?

3)What was your experience?

4)Do you believe you will meet/experience God one day?

yeah the same way im ignorant on witch doctors. i'm sure it will be my downfall






except magical berries and elderly women who hand you said berries (they are obviously god)






I have no idea what the harmandia sahib or w/e is. that's the indian place where they grew the berries? yes, it's ridiculous and if i wanted to be blunt i'd tell you it's just a scam, ran by the people there to exploit the people there. what a wonderous group of people.

You made the mistake putting the thread in a section other than "Faith and Spirituality". I'm pretty sure there's no debate allowed there.

just tag a mod and they can maybe move it.

You are ignorant, open a history book :-)

I want to type up my mums experience just to add to this thread, but be respectful because she is my mum.

1) Sikh (not a baptised sikh but very religious)
2) My mum says she has


3) My mum had a lot of infertility issues, I was concived 19 years after her marriage (which is rather late) and my brother was born 6 years later. So my mum said after a lot of failed attempt and a miscarriage the doctors said were adamant that she was infertile and she would never conceive.

Anyway, my mum and my aunty who lives in India (who also didn't have children at the time, now she has 2 boys around my age) visited Harmandir Sahib aka The Golden Temple, it is a very sacred/holy place for Sikhs.

There is a tree there, it is believed it has the ability to "dispel sorrow". My mum and aunty asked the people guarding it if they could pick fruit off it and give it to them, they said no, you can't pick fruit off it, you have to wait for it to fall off. They told my mum and aunty to come back later and if any fell they would give it to them.

Also, it's important to remember that Harmandir Sahib is FILLED, absolutely PACKED with people. It's so crowded and in some places you feel like you may lose your own head (she says from experience ...).

Anyway, so as you can imagine the fruit is a rarity, and if you do get any I severely doubt you would be sharing it around. But my mum said she was praying and a lady (she didn't see her face, or her form) spoke in her ear and asked her to open her hands, so my mum did and she dropped a berry in her hand and told my mum to eat the seeds and everything. Then she said in punjabi/Gurmukhi "No one leaves here empty handed with their wishes unfulfilled" (something along those lines) and then the lady left.

My mum swears she never saw her, but believes it was Gods form in disguise.

Then later they went back to the area and to the people guarding the tree, and they gave my aunty 2 berry and my mum 1. My mum said she was sad she only got one, and forgot about the earlier instance at the time.

Anyway my mum had 2 children, and so did my aunty. Also they both received 2 pieces of fruit each. It is rather interesting.


4) I believe my mum may think that, although I haven't ever properly asked.

no debate allowed

You're so f***ing disrespectful, I'm not even going to respond. Go troll somewhere else. Bye

Wow, that is something that would definitely make you think twice.

what an enlightened suggestion on a forum specialising in education

Oh really!!!!!

@iEthan can you move it please?