Pakistan vs India

ahammadiya isnt a proper belief system by a lot of means ...

i am not supporting terrorist that kills innocent civilians ....

Reply 62

Original post by Zamestaneh

Actually Maharaja Hari Singh the ruler of Jammu and Kashmir wanted to be independent. But once Pakistani nationals and their tribals started attacking the state's northern areas, Hari Singh asked India and Nehru for help to defend J&K.

Nehru was prepared to help out without conditions but Lord Mountbatten urged Hari Singh to accede to India only after which India should send its Army to defend J&K against Pakistani aggression.

On a regional level, Pakistan benefits from a destabilised Kashmir, and India benefits from a destabilised Pakistan, so neither side is truly innocent. Although it is true that many Hindus have fled the region, it would be a lie to suggest that the Muslim majority was achieved this way - it has always existed.

Although Pakistan benefits from a destabilised Kashmir, India would actually benefit from a stable and prosperous Pakistan not a destabilised Pak.

Reply 63

username2748463

Original post by 123teddy

i dont think the whole country voted for him ...lol

they hate muslims , dont you know that ?

they are raping muslims over beef eating ...

and you call this a proper democratic government ?

Why so angry? Did they rape you aswell?

Reply 64

Original post by Lord Samosa

Calling the Mughals that treated Sikhs terribly as simply "Muslims", only encourage some anti-Muslim resentment for Sikhs. It wasn't a war of religion, it was the Sikh struggle against a oppressive regime that used religion to control. Hatred to other humans wasn't something the Guru's encouraged.

At the end of the day, that's what Muslims did. They beheaded our Gurus because they didn't agree to convert to becoming Muslims. That's what happened, that's why Sikhs have hatred towards Muslims. I have even stated before I "try" not to hate Muslims, but the history is so much to ignore.

Reply 65

http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/martyrs/nanak9martyr.html

Original post by Aztec123

Even earlier, you said

Quite an odd mistake to make twice..

Also, that isn't the reason India and Pakistan have tensions, it's only Sikhs who care about that (2% of India's population) , no on else in India and Pakistan does.

I find it odd you're pointing out petty things, opposed to all the terrible stuff Muslims have done to Sikhs.

I clearly stated why Sikhs hate Muslims. As far as I'm aware, Sikh get along with Muslims in India socially etc. From what I've been brought up, it's always been said why Sikhs hate Muslims and I've stated this here. I don't think they're that bothered about Kashmir, my family isn't. It's more to the fact, Muslims beheaded (killed) our Sikh "Gurus" which hurts us more.

As I've said, watch Chaar Sahibzaade and it has all the information available of what happened between two religions. It should be available in English. I've attached a screenshot, perhaps there's summary available online if you don't want to watch the movie.

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 66

Original post by Idunno99

Why so angry? Did they rape you aswell?

you from north india ?

we have a communist government here ...

we feel safe in our lands

i will let you know when we hit an emergency ewe problem solver :chaplin:

Reply 67

Original post by 123teddy

i dont think the whole country voted for him ...lol

they hate muslims , dont you know that ?

they are raping muslims over beef eating ...

and you call this a proper democratic government ?

Of course they didn't but if you're going down that particular line of argument less people voted for the Congress party when it was last in government.

The Congress got 28.55% of the vote in 2009 and the UPA coalition overall got 37.22%

In 2014 BJP got 31.34% of the vote and the NDA coalition got 38.5% in total.

Not to mention that voter turnout was higher in 2014 (66.38% the highest ever) compared to 59.7% in 2009 when Congress won.

Even if that is true it is shameful that you are asking for an enemy state for help to topple the government.

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 68

username2748463

Absolutely
We need to raise awareness in the west, people should understand that we have nothing to do with the pathetic ayatollahs

Original post by Ishax

Yeah I saw that come up, when I googled it lol! Just kind of odd to call it "turban" out of all things, ah well.

Reply 69

Original post by Idunno99

Absolutely
We need to raise awareness in the west, people should understand that we have nothing to do with the pathetic ayatollahs

I was kind of offended at the name they decided on. I don't have a issue with what they're wearing, that's their decision etc. I don't think they should have called it turban, when it's clearly not.

Reply 70

well i dont like the current government , and i hate BJP ...

that is all ...

Reply 71

username2748463

This
End of story

Original post by Indian_Muslim

Reply 72

Lord Samosa

Original post by Ishax

That's was the decision made by Aurangzeb, not collectively by every Muslim living in India at the time.

To have the view that it was "Muslims" only fills your head with hatred. Sikhs killed members of my family in 1947, but I'm not close minded and realise it was down to bad individuals, not all followers of the religion. (I know this is not comparably to the beheading of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji, but surely you can see the point I'm raising)

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Reply 73

Original post by Idunno99

Where exactly do you live?

Kerala probably

pagan hating jihad worshipping piece of s***?

Calm down. No need for that sort of language thank you

Reply 74

Original post by Lord Samosa

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It's not about specific family members, Sikhs were killed also. The point is Muslims killed our Sikh Gurus, which is the main reason for the hatred of Muslims. I've just stated what I've been told as I was growing up from my parents and other family members. I honestly don't think it's anything to do with Kashmir anymore, Sikhs have got past that. My parents have mentioned it to me, but rarely.

I'm friends with Muslims and people of different religions. It's just a sore topic when it comes to Sikhs. I've even said and admitted in this thread, I'm "trying" not to hate Muslims as there's nothing that'll come from it. It's best to maintain the peace and live a happy life.

No, it's fine. It's good to have a debate which is nice and not offending to other religions 👍🏼 It's just the history that bothers me, I try to get past it but it'll take time I guess.

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 75

ksj.11

Original post by Indian_Muslim

Kerala probably

Calm down. No need for that sort of language thank you

do you live in india

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Reply 76

Original post by ksj.11

do you live in india

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I used to

Reply 77

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Original post by Zamestaneh

Pakistan doesn't want to 'steal' land - Kashmir was a Muslim majority state back in 1947, and it continues to remain that way today; the majority of the population was forced to join India against their will because their Hindu/Sikh Prince at the time was given a choice to join India or Pakistan, and he made a personal choice not based upon the will of his people or what was right and just.

Btw you do realise that the majority of Pakistanis have Sufi beliefs; it's non-government extremist groups who bomb both Sufi shrines, Ahmadiyyah as well as attacking the government/public institutions too. The government is still firm in handling Ahmadiyyah generally though; it is a lie to claim they persecute Sufis.

On a regional level, Pakistan benefits from a destabilised Kashmir, and India benefits from a destabilised Pakistan, so neither side is truly innocent. Although it is true that many Hindus have fled the region, it would be a lie to suggest that the Muslim majority was achieved this way - it has always existed.

Your ignorance is astounding, but all your points have already been addressed by someone else before i could get to them :smile:

Reply 78