Miscellaneous Thread V

Swear people should quote their wages as a realistic hourly rate, rather then just how much they earn pre-tax.

Friend A works for a good company in a demanding sector. He graduated 2 years ago and now earns 37k a year. He claims to work 50 hour weeks including staying late most days and taking work home on weekends. Its demanding

Friend B works a bog-standard council job, no culture of over-time at all. 37.5 hours on the dot, sometimes leaves early on a friday (but we wont count that). earns 24k

37 - 24 sounds like a lot.

£10.20 - £9.70 is what it works out though. Friend A litterally only earns 50p more an hour, after tax and including extra work.

Swear people should quote their wages as a realistic hourly rate, rather then just how much they earn pre-tax.

Friend A works for a good company in a demanding sector. He graduated 2 years ago and now earns 37k a year. He claims to work 50 hour weeks including staying late most days and taking work home on weekends. Its demanding

Friend B works a bog-standard council job, no culture of over-time at all. 37.5 hours on the dot, sometimes leaves early on a friday (but we wont count that). earns 24k

37 - 24 sounds like a lot.

£10.20 - £9.70 is what it works out though. Friend A litterally only earns 50p more an hour, after tax and including extra work.

Well while the direct comparison looks closer, Friend B couldn't actually get near Friend A's yearly salary since his company won't give him those extra 12.5 hours. He's unlikely to get the same wage in trying to squeeze in those extra hours with another job.

Also Friend A will still get that same pay when taking holiday whereas Friend B won't.

I imagine it's pretty hard to say how much you earn an hour if your contract is salaried though. My dad can work anywhere between 50-70 hours a week, but he'd earn the same amount regardless of whether he works the former or the later. He needs to work until he gets the job done. Some jobs can be left until the next day, hence you can leave 5 o'clock each day.

I don't disagree that friend A has it better. Obviously almost everyone would take the bigger job, except a fair few who value their time higher then money, but I would wager they are in the vast majority. For me its just to illustrate how they compare in an accurate way. Just raw pre-tax wages, as we tend to use in the UK, is such a dodgy way of comparing the rewards and wages of two positions. An hourly rate gives you a different comparison, and I would personally say an hourly rate plus the maximum hours you effectively can get paid to do, would be the best comparison.

The holiday point I don't quite get. No one gets paid for holidays, rather people just get paid for 48 weeks of the year, and then have their wage averaged out over each month regardless of when they work those 48 weeks. The only time I would add it in to a job comparison would be if the amount is different. Teachers for example provide a difficult comparison as their holidays are so vastly different from most other jobs.



True, for some jobs its hard to work out how many hours you work. Mine for instance. Running a business means working all over the place, and working out an average week would be a nightmare to do, unless you actually tracked every hour you work every day. Other people though will find it easier, especially jobs that have a regular expectation of un-paid overtime, rather then a necessity for un-paid over time when it is needed.

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My sister is a good example for me of someone who has a decent wage, but it barely holds up to scrutiny.

As an NQT in a secondary school, she makes a respectable 21.5k for her first year of work... about £335 a week. She arrives at at school at 8.30am. On average she leaves at 4.15pm.

Back at home she normally does 1.5 hours marking/organising and lesson planning every evening, and on both weekend days.

That gives her a normal working week of around 49 hours. and an hourly rate of £6.80 per week.

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But then you take into account her holidays. Her job gives her 13 weeks holiday a year. Once you take out compulsory training, and work within holidays, its closer to 11 weeks.

Compared to a friend of mine who works as a superviser in waitrose, thats an aditional 6.5 weeks holiday, over their 4.5 weeks.

So we can alter the hourly rate, by removing the extra holiday from the yearly total of hours worked, and re-calculating the hourly wage. This comes to: £7.59 an hour.

My friend working as a waitrose superviser is on £7.80 an hour, with 1.5x bonus for overtime. He is contracted to work full time, 37.5 hours a week, but frequently pulls bonus shifts if he wants to, and does so at £11.70 an hour, or £15.60 if he works on a bank holiday.

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My first thought was: ok, so the money is pretty similar when you take into account the extra time off that a teacher gets.. the extra hours of pay are certainly more regular then a shop worker, who cant always rely on others not being there/wanting shifts covered.

But what really are the benefits of being a teacher over a shop supervisor:

- Better job security. Certainly. One of the most secure positions around.
- Better progression? Not sure on this one, both have routes upwards, to head teacher, or to store manager/regional manager etc. I would say the lower end of the progression favors the teacher, but the upper end favors the shop worker if you can get there.
- More job satisfaction? Depends on the school. A nice leafy private school - yes. A challenging city school, nope. Most of the teachers hated their jobs for the year that I worked in a secondary school.
- Holidays? yes, but as shown above, you pay for them. Only when you factor them in to working out a averaged hourly wage, do you get close to the hourly rate of a decent shop supervisor. The flexibility to do more work in the summer, is something I would definitely consider as a plus though.

And what are the drawbacks:

- Much much more stressful
- Far harder job
- Worsening work conditions by the year, as the tory government ****s over schools more and more
- Huge cost of qualification. Student loans + PGCE (unless you teach maths etc) Debt that sticks with you.

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All in all, for me it just shows that teachers are ****ing awfully paid/treated at the moment, that a pretty low level shop worker has a job that compares quite well to a newly qualified teacher. (heck, considering how stagnant teaching pay rises have become, they stack up well to teachers who have been around for a good few years post qualification)

All in all, for me it just shows that teachers are ****ing awfully paid/treated at the moment, that a pretty low level shop worker has a job that compares quite well to a newly qualified teacher. (heck, considering how stagnant teaching pay rises have become, they stack up well to teachers who have been around for a good few years post qualification)

£22k starting salary isn't bad by any means but the problem is there isn't much progression beyond that.

Don't think that is accurate. I know a couple of teachers both pulling in above 50k p/a, I know another pulling much more than that as a locum head teacher. When you consider the holiday they get too, it a good salary. How many other jobs are there where you get 13 weeks of holiday and take home above 50k. None of them are actual classroom teachers though, all work in senior management roles.

Obviously if you're at the top (near) the top of your profession you're going to be making a lot more.

For every head teacher making £50k+ there's hundreds of classroom teachers getting ****ed by the system.

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The pay for a teacher is absolutely appalling when you factor in the hours they ACTUALLY work (marking, lesson planning, parents evenings and even travelling to work) they don't even get paid minimum wage.

£22k starting salary isn't bad by any means but the problem is there isn't much progression beyond that. Someone with an Economics degree from LSE for example can find something a lot better paid which is also less demanding.

I really don't understand why anyone would want to become a teacher tbh. Can completely understand why no men do it.

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