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I think I came across that hadith in kafi in its arabic form and it says kurds.
So qindh could be kurds.
Will have to confirm though.
Shia hadiths though are very difficult to get your head around though. I'm still looking into them.

Which modern country/place is Qindh?

I think I came across that hadith in kafi in its arabic form and it says kurds.So qindh could be kurds.Will have to confirm though.Shia hadiths though are very difficult to get your head around though. I'm still looking into them.

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“India, Sindh and Qindh–not a single one of them [from there] is intelligent.” (al-Kafi, fil Furoo’: Book of Nikah, Chapter: Whom Are Disliked for Marriage, Narration 3)

This is the narration about the Kurds:
“Do not [even] buy anyone who is a Negro…never marry anyone of the Kurdish (people) for they are part of the Jinn (demons)…” (al-Kafi, fil Furoo’: Book of Nikah, Chapter: Whom Are Disliked for Marriage, Narration 2)

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A few points to raise here[assuming the above two were reliable]:

1. The mistranslation of 'Al Zanj to 'negroes'. Al Zanj does not translate to 'negroes', but rather, a group of people in a coastal town. ‘Beware of marrying (the people of) Al-Zanj i.e the people from that costal town.

2. A number of the members of the Ahlulbayt of Rasulullah s.a.w and imams a.s we revere were actually born from black mothers, and hence mixed race themselves!

Mashhoor is Arabic for famous. But even if the hadith is popular it doesn't make it authentic.

Salamunalaikum, i hope you are doing well brother



With due respect, he didn't. And i am only quoting you because i prefer everyone to have facts. If we disagree on the facts, and have each of our positions fairly represented, then that's fine. But when it's really on a straw man, it becomes unfair. To add to this, what was done was really an unprovoked attack. I posted a hadith on good manners, giving the chain, and someone decides to create a debate out of nothing.

Yea makes more sense that it is mash'hoor, coz I was scratching my head thing what مشور mashoor is in terms of hadith!

It is quite disappointing Tahweed that you take a genuine question (remember that you were talking about hadiths and authenticity accor to shia school) as an attack.
I don't know if it shows shakiness of grounds, or lack of hussnozan (or both) to take everything as an attack.
This kind of stance doesn't help us in any way brother.
Ps I moved this quote here to not derail the soc thread.

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Apologies, that was a typing error on my part. I read mashoor as - mash hoor, but didn't add the double h's.



It's just not when and what you asked, but how you asked it.

Again, i posted a hadith that was about good manners. The better thing to do would have been to ask , on this thread, 'what does a group of our associates mean', rather than rebuking me and mocking me for bringing up rijal, under the false pretexts we take chains from randomers etc.

Either way, let us not argue about arguing.

You know full well you are welcome to ask questions. But it depends on where, how, and with what.

Salaam

Obviously I won't pressure you to answer my questions I asked earlier in the thread, but do you still intend to answer them? If you are busy with studies etc and would rather leave them, I do not mind if you completely free yourself of the obligation rather than perhaps incurring sin for not fulfilling a promise.

On a side note, I have smaller questions which you could answer quickly InshaAllah:

What books/works do you use to grade the authenticity of Shia hadith?
And are these available in English?
Has the whole of Al-Kafi been graded yet?

BarakAllahu feek

You are aware that according to some who follow your madhab, if you narrate from any companion of the prophet s.a.w, even if he is unknown, that hadith is taken, purely for the fact he is a companion ?

Let me give you an example of a hadith graded saheeh by Al Albani:

Narrated A man who heard the Prophet:
Al-Muhallab ibn AbuSufrah said: A man who heard the Prophet (ﷺ) say: If the enemy attacks you at night, let your war cry be Ha-Mim. They will not be helped."

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It was narrated from a man, from Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said:"It is not righteousness to fast when traveling."


It was narrated from Al-Qasim bin Al-Mukhaimirah, from a man among the Companions of the Prophet, that the Prophet said:"Whoever kills a man from among Ahl Adh-Dhimmah.[2] he will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, and its fragrance may be detected from a distance of seventy years."









In response to your questions, i could justly ask, who is this man? How do we know he is reliable ? Is he reliable simply because he heard and saw the prophet? Is this a criteria of trustworthiness and piety - to have merely heard the prophet s.a.w say something? Was every single person who merely heard the prophet s.a.w say something considered to be free of all lies and falsehood?

The reason why i have answered a few of the others first, is either due to the time i.e the usual slanders about muharram [or genuine questions too i admit], or people quoting me, unprovoked, on the I-Soc, attacking shia islam in a way that does not give a cogent argument, but just spreads factual misinformation. Given the 'likes' such posts get, it is clear few do research.

Al Nusra love democracy.

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Allah will judge between us. I refer it to him. And he is the best of judges. I'm prepared to fully accept his judgement.

That is true, we'll receive our Lord's judgement. But for now, I will judge everyone by the apparent (their actions in public).

Abdullah ibn Utbah reported: I heard Umar ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, say, “Verily, in the time of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, the people would be judged by revelation, but the revelation has ended. Now we judge you according to your outward deeds. Whoever shows us good, we will trust him and favor him and it is not for us to judge his inner secrets, for Allah will hold him accountable for those. Whoever shows us evil, then we will not trust him or believe in him even if he claims his intention is good.”Source: Sahih Bukhari 2498

Good day. I don't want to derail this thread too much.

This is the thread to use for debates brother.

Could you explain to me:

1. Is the belief of Allah azwj having a 'foot' or 'feet' and putting it into 'hell' solely believed by salafi's? If not, is it by some groups of them and not others?

2. Could you give me rough percentages, numbers and name the groups?

I'm quite curious, because i'm pretty sure a number of I-Soc users who i debate on here affirm and believe in that. While some do not. Though, it would be incorrect to deem this representative with regards to the general population.

I am aware of the other interpretation of the ahadith, given by ashari's. But i've seen salafi's vehemently argue it is against the clear translation and meaning.

Lastly, why don't you believe Allah azwj has a foot, and will put it into hell ? What do you feel this belief entails?

Most Muslims have always been Ashari or Maturidi in creed (it's been that way for over a thousand years) and the position of both of those schools is that Allah does not have a body and any reference that my lead one to think otherwise, whether it be in the Qur'an or in the Hadith, is undoubtedly metaphorical. You also have a third school which is known to be the simplest of them all and that's the Athari creed. Everyone accepts the Athari creed as valid and acceptable to follow (Asharis, Maturidis and Salafis) but the two former schools differ with the Salafi commentaries given to it. Essentially, the Asharis and Maturidis accuse the Salafis of giving the Athari creed an anthropomorphic commentary that did not exist with early Atharis, and it's only the Salafi inclined Atharis that believe Allah has a body (albeit not like ours and without going into how).