The I-SOC (Islamic Society) XIII

Ameen.

That's so horrible:

"There was blood on the walls… They hit me and the others with anything they could lay their hands on, metal rods, shovels, pipes, cables. They walked on top of us with their boots," one survivor told Amnesty International.

Iirc it was to do with your identity not being exposed, after having trouble on other forums. Cool.

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Wait I'm confused why is this happening? Does the iraqi army mostly consist of shias?

Ameen ya rabb

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http://www.trtworld.com/mea/footage-emerges-of-iraqi-forces-torturing-mosul-civilians-211312

May Allah help the innocent civilians in Mosul.

Wait I'm confused why is this happening? Does the iraqi army mostly consist of shias?

Ameen ya rabb

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Wait I'm confused why is this happening? Does the iraqi army mostly consist of shias?

Ameen ya rabb

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Guys those that kill the innocent have nothing to do with Islam and more to do with politics and because of the evil within.

Wait I'm confused why is this happening? Does the iraqi army mostly consist of shias?

Ameen ya rabb

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I think demographics show that 55-60% of Iraq is Shia, with 40-45% being Sunni. This would naturally mean that the army consist of more Shia than Sunni. In addition to this, the Sunnis inhabit mostly the border regions and the northern lands (and the Kurds are mostly Sunni too), whereas the Shia mainly hold the South:



The west of Iraq has fallen to Daesh and therefore there are less likely to be Sunni recruits for the army, which means that an even higher proportion of the army will be Shia.

One final point, is that I would have expected there to be more Sunni soldiers during the time Saddam Hussein (as he too was a Sunni); after the war, the army was disbanded, and the Ba'ath Party was too, which left hundreds of thousands of people without jobs, and obviously that would mean thousands of Sunni soldiers and party members. The army was then restructured and retrained by occupying forces, but it was only a fraction of the size. I do not have the demographic makeup of this new army, but it would be an educated guess that even less of the soldiers would be Sunni because of these post-Saddam policies which had subsequently alienated and angered them.

All this would therefore make the Sunni presence in the Iraqi army negligable.

Exactly.

I follow Ayatullah Sistani. Even shouting or swearing or saying a bad word to a sunni brother is seen as absolutely forbidden. In fact, it is highly encouraged to love, foster brotherhood, and good relations between sunni's and shias. Hence my behaviour and my constant calls for unity.

Murdering innocent human beings has nothing to do with sunni Islam, and nothing to do with shia Islam, but sunni and shia islam are tools people use to divide and conquer.

Unfortunately it's going to get worse. These militias and parts of the Iraqi army are as bad as ISIS. Only difference is ISIS hates shias and these guys hate sunnis. Their time will run out and then all these groups and organisations will have to face the consequences of their actions before their Lord.

The majority of the Iraqi army does not engage in acts like that. The Iraqi army probably does consist mainly of shias, but with large contingents of sunni's , as well as kurds , christians and other groups.

According to Ayatullah Sistani , killing anyone for simply being a sunni, or simply being a shia is absolutely harram and forbidden. He is the highest shia religious authority in Iraq. The vast majority of shia's in the Iraqi army follow ayatullah sistani and his Fatwa's are clear.

Any group which commits crimes must be held to account , and actions never condoned.

But there are a few important things i need to mention here:

Due to the very volatile political nature of the conflict, it is essential to perform a thorough research on all claims. Daesh and other groups have been known to stir sectarian discord through stories and narratives, relying on trying to turn moderate sunni's against shias. This is a tactic they employed so well to take over many parts of Iraq. Therefore it is essential to not believe everything we read, and critically examine everything.

HOWEVER

The reports and stories could be true, either wholly or partially, and could have validity, and i whole heartedly condemn any soldier or group who has committed crimes against humanity or killed any innocent human being shia or sunni.

But the truth is, the majority of the Iraqi army, comprising of shias, sunnis, kurds, christians, have united together to get rid of the scourge that is DAESH from Iraq. No government minister, and no religious ruling body has given any authority to kill innocents - but rather, has forbidden it. The actions of rouge groups should be investigated, condemned, but never used in a way to generalise anything.

Promoting such a narrative plays right into the hands of Daesh, who have effectively used such narratives to devastating effect in their divide and conquer strategies.

It will just be a repeat of what happened in Falloujah.
Where even those fleeing didn't escape. I remember seeing a video of an entire convoy of civilians burned to crisp which shows the charred remains of a child hugging their parent in one of the pickups. I don't watch graphics things and wasn't expecting to see that image, but when I saw. I couldn't sleep for days, it disturbed me.

Currently Mosul is under the control of ISIS. It's the last major city they hold in Iraq and it's majority sunni populated. The Iraqi army, along with Kurdish peshmarga and some international forces (e.g. US air support) is trying to take it back.

Yes the Iraqi army is majority shia (pretty sure on this) but they're not all bad, some of their ranks definitely are murderers though and civilians have spoken against them. Most of the problems stems from Shia militias who fight alongside the army. Now they're evil, pure scum. They have a habit of murdering and torturing innocent sunni civilians whenever they take control of a place back from ISIS e.g. Fallejah http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/iraq-civilians-recall-days-hell-militia-160616060343081.html .

So it's stupid with blood thirsty morons running around murdering people who aren't from their sect. ISIS killing shias and the shia militias killing sunnis.

I think demographics show that 55-60% of Iraq is Shia, with 40-45% being Sunni. This would naturally mean that the army consist of more Shia than Sunni. In addition to this, the Sunnis inhabit mostly the border regions and the northern lands (and the Kurds are mostly Sunni too), whereas the Shia mainly hold the South:



The west of Iraq has fallen to Daesh and therefore there are less likely to be Sunni recruits for the army, which means that an even higher proportion of the army will be Shia.

One final point, is that I would have expected there to be more Sunni soldiers during the time Saddam Hussein (as he too was a Sunni); after the war, the army was disbanded, and the Ba'ath Party was too, which left hundreds of thousands of people without jobs, and obviously that would mean thousands of Sunni soldiers and party members. The army was then restructured and retrained by occupying forces, but it was only a fraction of the size. I do not have the demographic makeup of this new army, but it would be an educated guess that even less of the soldiers would be Sunni because of these post-Saddam policies which had subsequently alienated and angered them.

All this would therefore make the Sunni presence in the Iraqi army negligable.

Thank you for all the info. So as Ideas said things are not going to get any better, why are they venting their hatred towards innocent sunni civilians instead if ISIS then? Especially if ISIS hates them...

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