The Manchester United Thread XX

LvG's press interviews were pure comedy >>>>>

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I'm dead.

Because I come here delusionally trying to pretend that everything is fine you are questioning my status as a Man Utd fan.

If I am allowed my opinion, the football is as bad if not worse than last year, the players are continuously not performing anywhere near the level they are capable of and already the club has Mourinho's entirely toxic atmosphere surrounding it. The sooner Mourinho pisses off the better.

Scholes brought up a good point today in the post match analysis.

He said, if we sack Mourinho say in January if he continues on this bad streak who on earth are we going to get? The players are constantly having to adapt to new philosophies so we wouldn't be actually going anywhere and will be stuck in the constant cycle of getting a new manager, then he flops, and we are back at square 1 again.

Right now the best we can do is be patient for a long time and accept we ARE an average team now that can't win the Europa League or challenge for the title. Wait till he has had 2-3 transfer windows and then let's see where Man Utd are then (that is if he doesn't **** up big time in which case he will be sacked). I think Mourinho is starting to realise this is a tougher job than he initially thought and he's also slowly learning to leave his ego out of it...you can see how he has reversed his decision on Schweinstieger and at least given Mkhitaryan some minutes today after blocking him out.

He has to focus on playing players in the right positions and pick a starting XI that gets the best out of players like Pogba. Rashford shouldn't be on the wing too. As much as I hate him I believe he can turn this around but to do that he has to stop being such a stubborn **** and get his **** together which tbh knowing him he probably won't do but he proves people wrong so let's wait and see.

Wtf you lost?

How is this season any different to the previous two?

The poster who mentioned that the club has a deeper problem then the manager is spot on for me. I cant comment on how clubs are exactly run, but the way it feels to me is like this:

Clubs like city/Chelsea/Real are built first, and organised around the management at the club. They have a focus, an identity, and a well organised way of working. The manager then slots in like a piece in a jigsaw puzzle.. they are just one of many cogs fitting into the machine, but the machine is always the same. They can come and go, and each will tweak slightly how the machine works, but largely it will remain the same.

Clubs like United/Arsenal are built differently. The manager is the engine. Wenger and SAF provide all the power, focus and identity, behind them everyone else is much less important.. Sure there were directors who made huge differences, but even they came and went. The core identity was that of the manager, and their performance dictated how well the machine worked, rather then being just a small influence on how it works.

You guys now are trying to be the first type of clubs, but your not ready or prepared to do so..

I doubt the structure is that bad but:-

- The club hasn't adapted well since SAF left
- Moyes tried to change too much
- 3 new managers all with different ideas/plans (or lack thereof) has meant more short terms decisions or the longer term ones not followed properly

Just need to find the right manager to fix it. Issue for the club now is whether Mourinho is that man or if they should keep looking.

For me, there are structural issues. Since Gill left the club does fell more and more like a money making machine as opposed to a sports team. That is despite our absolutely ridiculous transfer policy for the last 3 years which seems to owe more to Woodword proving how big is dick is than good business or footballing sense. I dislike how we have allowed City to set up one of Europes best academy's on our doorstep and done **** all about it, I dislike the refusal to move into the womens game and I dislike the way SAF casts an overbearing shadow over everything.

A manager change somethings, but the overall club mentality and ethos comes from higher up and thats where there are failings (as well as with each of the last 3 managers).

Yea Gill and SAF leaving at the same time wasn't ideal. I think the club is just going to keep continuing to make money. SAF didn't leave the squad in the best of shapes and Moyes/Woodword didn't help. Finishing outside of CL and EL that year made it harder to then rectify the squad.

Now since then each manager is trying to take a short cut by buying "the best" rather than building up slowly. Look how quickly some players are coming in and falling out of fashion.

Unfortunately as a club Man Utd's size, there's no breathing space to try and rebuild slowly.

Lol same **** was said about Chelsea last season when he dragged us into a relegation battle.

TK I know you want to see light at the end of the pretty dark tunnel but why are you going to give a man like Mourinho 3 transfer windows when he's already spent 150M and you guys are playing even worse than last year?

Also in what way are United an average team, look at the players you got.

Bailly was at a team that came top 4 and is in the mix for the title at the moment.
Mkhitaryan was at Dortmund and registered the most assists in the BuLi.
Pogba was at Juventus, who were a game away from a treble in 13/14 and won the double again last season with him being a main man.
Ibrahimovic has won like 10 league titles in his past 11 seasons, including La Liga.

On top of that you have the likes of Shaw(who is rightly heralded as the best LB in the league), Mata(who looking at his Chelsea record was world class and the best no.10 in the world at the time), Martial(golden boy), Rashford and DDG.

If you want Mourinho to sell half his team due to his inability to not piss the team off with ridiculous tactics be my guest.

Also if Scholes says something just do the opposite.

Sometimes you get average players who fit in well to a good team. Look at Liverpool, on paper our squad is miles better than theirs but Klopp has got them working as a team and has bought players to fit into how he wants to play. Our recruitment is just going for the "big names" with absolutely no thought given as to how they fit in.

Because I come here delusionally trying to pretend that everything is fine you are questioning my status as a Man Utd fan.

If I am allowed my opinion, the football is as bad if not worse than last year, the players are continuously not performing anywhere near the level they are capable of and already the club has Mourinho's entirely toxic atmosphere surrounding it. The sooner Mourinho pisses off the better.

Yeah you're right, SAF is just being ridiculous and well the football quality was always going to take a dive, even if Van Gaal's football was atrocious at times.


Lol same **** was said about Chelsea last season when he dragged us into a relegation battle.

TK I know you want to see light at the end of the pretty dark tunnel but why are you going to give a man like Mourinho 3 transfer windows when he's already spent 150M and you guys are playing even worse than last year?

Also in what way are United an average team, look at the players you got.

Bailly was at a team that came top 4 and is in the mix for the title at the moment.
Mkhitaryan was at Dortmund and registered the most assists in the BuLi.
Pogba was at Juventus, who were a game away from a treble in 13/14 and won the double again last season with him being a main man.
Ibrahimovic has won like 10 league titles in his past 11 seasons, including La Liga.

On top of that you have the likes of Shaw(who is rightly heralded as the best LB in the league), Mata(who looking at his Chelsea record was world class and the best no.10 in the world at the time), Martial(golden boy), Rashford and DDG.

If you want Mourinho to sell half his team due to his inability to not piss the team off with ridiculous tactics be my guest.

Also if Scholes says something just do the opposite.



Because they just bought the most expensive player in the world.

How can you spend so much money consistently every season and still be **** it's astounding.

The harsh reality is 90% of the squad is not good enough and will be difficult to shift due to huge wages.

Think of it this way, how many of them would get into another top club in the Premier League? Fellaini, Lingard & Young are players you'd expect to see at Watford, not Manchester United. Blind, Rojo & Valencia would struggle to get into most midtable teams, Smalling is average, Darmian is average, Memphis is average, Schneiderlin is average, Carrick & Schweinsteiger are aging veterans, Rooney is completely finished, Jones is permanently injured. That's most of the squad and it's going to take a while to replace all of them - they're midtable players that in many cases we've paid way over the odds for. Who's going to want to take over Young's £100k pw or pay the £15m we'd want for Memphis?

Sometimes you get average players who fit in well to a good team. Look at Liverpool, on paper our squad is miles better than theirs but Klopp has got them working as a team and has bought players to fit into how he wants to play. Our recruitment is just going for the "big names" with absolutely no thought given as to how they fit in.

Mourinho has no idea what team to pick or how to set them up. He looks completely demoralised and unable to motivate them either. We could sign Hazard & Aguero in January and they'd struggle to perform in this team.

This all stems from the decision to appoint Moyes which has set the club back at least 10 years, possibly more.

The poster who mentioned that the club has a deeper problem then the manager is spot on for me. I cant comment on how clubs are exactly run, but the way it feels to me is like this:

Clubs like city/Chelsea/Real are built first, and organised around the management at the club. They have a focus, an identity, and a well organised way of working. The manager then slots in like a piece in a jigsaw puzzle.. they are just one of many cogs fitting into the machine, but the machine is always the same. They can come and go, and each will tweak slightly how the machine works, but largely it will remain the same.

Clubs like United/Arsenal are built differently. The manager is the engine. Wenger and SAF provide all the power, focus and identity, behind them everyone else is much less important.. Sure there were directors who made huge differences, but even they came and went. The core identity was that of the manager, and their performance dictated how well the machine worked, rather then being just a small influence on how it works.

You guys now are trying to be the first type of clubs, but your not ready or prepared to do so..