Does it matter where you get your undergraduate degree?

Yes a plate glass university. But how many people do you find from ex-polys doing a PhD or studying at a Masters in Oxbridge.

I am sorry but you are not convincing me. Surely common sense tells you that University choice as well as many other things are considered, EVERYTHING counts.

Its like dating, height for men (and probably also for women) is important, denying this means denying the obvious. This does not mean that it is the only thing women look at (they would be very superficial if they did so) but it is one of the things as well as many others (like humor, personality etc.).

Ask her if she has rejected an otherwise good applicant because of their prior university.

And I'm sorry to be the cause of your lack of sleep. That's not the intention...

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Why do you think I would care? It's irrelevant. I know how it works. Obviously. Other posters know how it works. You have chosen not to believe that. So fine - that' s your choice.

You do not need to convince me.

I am just saying that your arguments are not convincing, that is all.

Yes a plate glass university. But how many people do you find from ex-polys doing a PhD or studying at a Masters in Oxbridge.

Why do you think I would care? It's irrelevant. I know how it works. Obviously. Other posters know how it works. You have chosen not to believe that. So fine - that' s your choice.

Oxford Brookes 17% Masters offer rate at Cambridge.

Which course? If the course is vocational that might be the case. But if it is a serious science course like physics or mathematics I find this hard to believe, in Oxford Brookes they will have not done enough formal training.

Also could you please tell me where you get this beautiful information? 17%. Which year, which course? 17% stated like that means nothing.

All courses, last 4 years. FOI request.

Includes courses in Economics, Finance also Architecture (3 MPhils in Architecture and urban planning to be precise.)

Oh so now only maths or physics or sciences are serious courses. And you call me arrogant?

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Although, I think you can agree with me that Einstein did change considerably the way we view the world compared to the worlds best architect. Would you not agree with me on this?

if you were in charge for PhD or MSc. entry and you had someone with a 2.1 from Bolton and a 2.1 from Imperial you want to tell me that they would be equally weighted, other things being equal.

Stop digging.

Einstein had a passion for the arts too you know, including architecture.

Yes, why not? If all other things are equal then why does the name of their university matter at all? Think about it.

You did not answer my question. The fact that Einstein had a passion for arts means nothing. The question is: Do you believe that Einstein changed the way we view the world more than the worlds best architect?

What Einstein did is utterly irrelevant to this conversation.

Except that he went to a poly.

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It would matter because a 2.1 at Bolton is easier to achieve than a 2.1 at Oxbridge. Think about it!

I know this because I did it! I first went to an ex-poly and in the first year I got a first with almost no effort. When I changed to the respectable university I could barely sustain a 2.1 with double the effort! Coincidence I think not!

And yes I know you will start arguing that you can not compare the first year from an ex-poly with that of a well established university because of the different level of students they attract. But still when I compare today what I learned in the end of my degree compared to my former classmates from the ex-poly, it is like night and day, especially when it comes reading and understanding highly academic papers, which is what research is all about.

Get off your high horse. First of all we have no ways of verifying your claims of experience.

I also went to a ex poly, and i worked my little socks off, to achiece my 2.1.

Does that mean that i would have failed to get this at a better uni, probably.

But does it mean that this grade is somehow worse that a 2.1 from a uni higher up the ranks? Not at all.

We don't all have the luxury of having attended top sixth forms, some of us find ourselves on the streets at nineteen, and have to work our ways up from there.

i have already said that it is virtually impossible to read for a degree from the streets, this point remains.

And you also find that two birds of a feather, ignorant and arrogant people stick together at these places. I actually shudder to think how far up your own heads most of the alumini and academics must be at the 'top' institutions, given that one of your people said i am a traitor to my race, having married a black woman.

Well more fool him, for believing this. And more fool you for thinking that university is the critical factor in determining p_g applications!

Isn't this slightly contradictory?

in what way?