The Labour Party has failed Yorkshire
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Original post by Bornblue
Because May pretty much voted through everything that Cameron proposed. Where was her opposition then?
She has already said that there will be no more extra funding for the NHS. She has refused to back a motion to ban unpaid internships etc.
I will reassess after the first budget next week but surely we should wait to see her actual policies rather than congratulating her based on pure rhetoric?
She has already said that there will be no more extra funding for the NHS. She has refused to back a motion to ban unpaid internships etc.
I will reassess after the first budget next week but surely we should wait to see her actual policies rather than congratulating her based on pure rhetoric?
Have you never heard of collective cabinet responsibility? If she voted against osborneomics she would've likely been sacked as Home Secretary.
As you say, we'll see in the autumn statement next week, I think you'll be surprised.
Original post by Connor27
Have you never heard of collective cabinet responsibility? If she voted against osborneomics she would've likely been sacked as Home Secretary.
As you say, we'll see in the autumn statement next week, I think you'll be surprised.
As you say, we'll see in the autumn statement next week, I think you'll be surprised.
But if she opposed the government's ideology that much, as she appears to now, then she should have resigned.
I will judge her after the budget. I hope she invests seriously into housebuilding and local industries.
Original post by Drewski
It's fair to say that every party has failed Yorkshire.
But, they're all largely safe seats. I doubt you'll see the swing you're predicting.
But, they're all largely safe seats. I doubt you'll see the swing you're predicting.
This entirely. Its laughable of you think the Cons have done much for Yorkshire. there are large swathes of it that died under the Thatcher regime and never recovered. Brutal.
Nope I dont see see UKIP getting in. They were a single issue party and are even less credible than the Labour pary (unelectable). That leaves the cons as the only stable party. but obviously hated in large areas. The Lib Dems also a mess and untrustworthy since the coalition.
That just leaves a mess. Obvioysly there are some very Conservative areas and others which are affluent.
Original post by Connor27
I can't speak for Sheffield and the South Yorkshire areas you speak of, I'm from West Yorkshire personally (the real Yorkshire)
So you claim to be making the point on behalf of all Yorkshire yet are ignoring 2/3s of the other areas also known as Yorkshire? Why?
I'm from North Yorkshire - in fact actually from York, if you want to talk about 'real' Yorkshire, where do you think it got it's name from, Numpty? - and can say that most of the county will continue vote Conservative. And the Lib Dem, Lib Dem coalition councils we've had in York have been utter bobbins for far too long.
Original post by Drewski
So you claim to be making the point on behalf of all Yorkshire yet are ignoring 2/3s of the other areas also known as Yorkshire? Why?
I'm from North Yorkshire - in fact actually from York, if you want to talk about 'real' Yorkshire, where do you think it got it's name from, Numpty? - and can say that most of the county will continue vote Conservative. And the Lib Dem, Lib Dem coalition councils we've had in York have been utter bobbins for far too long.
I'm from North Yorkshire - in fact actually from York, if you want to talk about 'real' Yorkshire, where do you think it got it's name from, Numpty? - and can say that most of the county will continue vote Conservative. And the Lib Dem, Lib Dem coalition councils we've had in York have been utter bobbins for far too long.
I do apologise for my wording; and I actually agree with you, North Yorkshire will continually vote Tory because it's the most affluent of the three counties.
In West Yorkshire, we have a "posh, stuck-up" stigma attached to the Conservative party (wrongly, in my opinion, but it still exists), and for some reason the general public here don't associate that with UKIP (despite most kippers being ex tories anyway lol) which is why I feel that the general shift here will be Lab > UKIP.
You can remove the word Yorkshire and it still represents Labour
Original post by Connor27
As a Yorkshireman myself, it hurts to see a movement formed in my county, the Labour Party, continue to alienate the people of Yorkshire (and the north in general).
We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.
When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.
If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.
When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.
If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
One of the reasons why UKIP appeals to working class people so much is the promise of slowing immigration, which many working class people look at as the reason why the places they live in are so run down. This isn't the case, though - the Conservative Party have constantly favoured the wants and needs of the upper-middle class over the working class. You may not like Corbyn, but he would do more to help the working class than Farage would ever do. It's sad that many working class people look at these "Corbynistas" with such shame, as his "cult" are as concerned about the state of the working class as the working class people are.
I'm a Yorkshireman myself, and I keep having to remind my (rather Eurosceptic) family who quite often talk about how much UKIP appeals to them that the things they are voting for (leaving the EU, voting Tories/UKIP) will not affect the economic disarray the working class have at the moment, and instead make it worse.
Original post by Connor27
As a Yorkshireman myself, it hurts to see a movement formed in my county, the Labour Party, continue to alienate the people of Yorkshire (and the north in general).
We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.
When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.
If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.
When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.
If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
awww poor baby.
Original post by user1214
awww poor baby.
Top quality counter argument there, 11/10 IGN.
Original post by george_c00per
One of the reasons why UKIP appeals to working class people so much is the promise of slowing immigration, which many working class people look at as the reason why the places they live in are so run down. This isn't the case, though - the Conservative Party have constantly favoured the wants and needs of the upper-middle class over the working class. You may not like Corbyn, but he would do more to help the working class than Farage would ever do. It's sad that many working class people look at these "Corbynistas" with such shame, as his "cult" are as concerned about the state of the working class as the working class people are.
I'm a Yorkshireman myself, and I keep having to remind my (rather Eurosceptic) family who quite often talk about how much UKIP appeals to them that the things they are voting for (leaving the EU, voting Tories/UKIP) will not affect the economic disarray the working class have at the moment, and instead make it worse.
I'm a Yorkshireman myself, and I keep having to remind my (rather Eurosceptic) family who quite often talk about how much UKIP appeals to them that the things they are voting for (leaving the EU, voting Tories/UKIP) will not affect the economic disarray the working class have at the moment, and instead make it worse.
I respect your well thought out, well reasoned counter argument (literally 20x better quality than some of the other leftists that have replied).
However, I would have to disagree with regard to your main point: one of the key features that attracts people to the populist right is their rejection of neoliberalism; look at May and her embracing of Keynesian ideas since coming to power; the EU was as big of a globalist economic project you can get; and UKIPs initial raison d'etre was to oppose this in favour of tarriffs (it was only when Farage came around that the focus turned to immigration; although the opposition to globalism is still a big policy associated with UKIP)
Original post by 999tigger
Nope I dont see see UKIP getting in. They were a single issue party and are even less credible than the Labour pary (unelectable). That leaves the cons as the only stable party. but obviously hated in large areas. The Lib Dems also a mess and untrustworthy since the coalition.
The Labour Party is well rooted in most of the urban areas - leaders such as Julie Dore ( Sheffield) brought up in the areas they represent. They also have more creative thought then the other parties , bringing in outside monies ( Chinese invetsment) to plug the vicious attacks from the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition who largely protected their own voters at the expense of the Labour ones.( Except Nick Clegg who happily shafted Sheffield and then wondered why his majority was cut by 12,000.)
The Conservatives, as usual speak with forked tongue - announce policies such as 30 hours of free care for 3-4 year olds , free meals for 5-7 years but don't fund them indeed offer a further round of huge cuts to councils who are now in the position of being close to reneging on their statutory duties towards the elderly and children.
Conservative policy of making councils pay for Services out of their Business rates ignores the 70 billion shortfall nationally and the impossibility of depressed cities and towns such as Barnsley or Liverpool funding Services. The Conservatives latest impossible idea is that Attendance Allowances ( paid to support carers of the seriously ill ) should also be paid by Councils form 2020 - out of what?
As the stats I quoted above show, the Labour Party , now the largest political party in Europe (550,000 members), is increasing its vote in many areas. As people become more aware of the real agenda of the Conservatives / UKIP - "you all need to take responsibility and make your own provision for Health, Old Age, Sickness etc because we the rich don't want to pay taxes for the Welfare State" their vote will only grow.
Original post by Connor27
I do apologise for my wording; and I actually agree with you, North Yorkshire will continually vote Tory because it's the most affluent of the three counties.
In West Yorkshire, we have a "posh, stuck-up" stigma attached to the Conservative party (wrongly, in my opinion, but it still exists), and for some reason the general public here don't associate that with UKIP (despite most kippers being ex tories anyway lol) which is why I feel that the general shift here will be Lab > UKIP.
In West Yorkshire, we have a "posh, stuck-up" stigma attached to the Conservative party (wrongly, in my opinion, but it still exists), and for some reason the general public here don't associate that with UKIP (despite most kippers being ex tories anyway lol) which is why I feel that the general shift here will be Lab > UKIP.
So your argument doesnt apply to North Yorkshire becayse ist pretty Conservative anyway and not to South Yorkshire because you dont have any experience?
Arent you limiting it to Leeds or are you including your claims to cover East Yorkshire as well?
Original post by Connor27
I respect your well thought out, well reasoned counter argument (literally 20x better quality than some of the other leftists that have replied).
However, I would have to disagree with regard to your main point: one of the key features that attracts people to the populist right is their rejection of neoliberalism; look at May and her embracing of Keynesian ideas since coming to power; the EU was as big of a globalist economic project you can get; and UKIPs initial raison d'etre was to oppose this in favour of tarriffs (it was only when Farage came around that the focus turned to immigration; although the opposition to globalism is still a big policy associated with UKIP)
However, I would have to disagree with regard to your main point: one of the key features that attracts people to the populist right is their rejection of neoliberalism; look at May and her embracing of Keynesian ideas since coming to power; the EU was as big of a globalist economic project you can get; and UKIPs initial raison d'etre was to oppose this in favour of tarriffs (it was only when Farage came around that the focus turned to immigration; although the opposition to globalism is still a big policy associated with UKIP)
You make some good points. I think a lot of this shows how the centre-left ground is really vacant, and I suspect many people in Yorkshire and other non-London, non-metropolitan areas would happily vote for a party which reflected their concerns about immigration, changes in their localities, NHS, schools, housing and so-forth but with less of a stridently nationalist tone than UKIP.
Original post by Connor27
As a Yorkshireman myself, it hurts to see a movement formed in my county, the Labour Party, continue to alienate the people of Yorkshire (and the north in general).
We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.
When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.
If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
We are basically Britain's "rust belt" in more ways than one; former industrial heartland; lots of white working class people; very socially conservative area despite historically supporting the centre left party, and finally, an area that has been left behind as a result of globalism and the neoliberal consensus.
When Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of middle class SJWs talk about "socialism" they honestly have no idea, they have their heads so far in the sand that they believe that word means identity politics at the expense of the real proletariat, and believe me that creates white hot anger against the smug, arrogant, leftist intelligentsia.
If the trend continues the comparisons between Yorkshire and the Rust Belt in America will become even more palpable in my opinion; just wait until the next general election and we'll see 50+ UKIP MPs; just the thought breaks my heart...
I see Labour have let down Sheffield again with the HS2 line really only serving Leeds. Bad Labour party. Oh wait a minute it was the Conservatives who mae the decision and pretty much bypassed Sheffield on cost grounds. What a colossal let down and waste of money.
Original post by 999tigger
I see Labour have let down Sheffield again with the HS2 line really only serving Leeds. Bad Labour party. Oh wait a minute it was the Conservatives who mae the decision and pretty much bypassed Sheffield on cost grounds. What a colossal let down and waste of money.
Labour initiated the original report for HS2 just as they initiated the one which raised tuition fees.
That said, I do agree that it should go direct to Sheffield and Nottingham albeit Leeds is the priority.
Original post by Rakas21
Labour initiated the original report for HS2 just as they initiated the one which raised tuition fees.
That said, I do agree that it should go direct to Sheffield and Nottingham albeit Leeds is the priority.
That said, I do agree that it should go direct to Sheffield and Nottingham albeit Leeds is the priority.
1. So what?
2. Why is Leeds any more importnat in Yorkshire? Nonsense.
Original post by 999tigger
1. So what?
2. Why is Leeds any more importnat in Yorkshire? Nonsense.
2. Why is Leeds any more importnat in Yorkshire? Nonsense.
Why is Leeds the most important city in Yorkshire - because it's the 4th largest economy in the UK.
Original post by Rakas21
Why is Leeds the most important city in Yorkshire - because it's the 4th largest economy in the UK.
I thought HS2 was meant to be more about economic revival? I cant see any reason why Leeds is more important. Before the collpase of heavt industry Sheffield was much larger and the 4th city.
According to city metrics then Leeds is still smaller.
Both cities should be given equal priority, there is nothing to say one is more deserving than the other. Its ridiculous to miss out Sheffield in the way they have.
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