For all of those who think Pep will get found out in the PL

If it's the players that are key, Chelsea shouldn't be top so your point is nonsense. Unless of course you're going to argue that Luiz, Cahill, Moses, Alonso and Pedro are world class title winners. It's only when Conte changed the system to the 3-4-3 that Chelsea emerged as title contenders.

No he needs the best players for his style.

I think Bayern had a better squad(note squad, not first team although there wasn't much different) than Barcelona, Atlético or Real Madrid from 2013-16 e.g. but he couldn't use it as well.

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So whats so great about a managers style when its only good if you have the best players? Give fat Sam the best players he will win titles just like Pep or Jose or Klopp or whoever. Good players >>> Style

Did Leicester have the best players last season?

Did Portugal have the best players at the Euros?

According to your logic, Barcelona and Spain should be winning every title there is all the time.

I dont think you understand what variance is.

Except its been proven time and time again having the best players doesn't mean anything unless you have the right manager directing them. You either must be an idiot or simply dont watch a lot of football to suggest otherwise.

ahahaha proven where?

Uhhm Spain for most of the past few decades...

France in the latest Euro's and indeed the past few years.

Man City and Chelsea last season.

United so far this season.

Bayern so far this season.

Psg so far this season.

Barcelona and Bayern in the CL last season.

and so on and so forth.

These are the teams with either the best of one of the best squads in their respective competitions and are either underperforming now or have been consistently for a few years.

Chelsea is the perfect example. Conte has completely turned that team around from last season with virtually the same squad.

The Chelsea team is practically the same team that won the league two years ago. Here you are bigging them up OMG 12th to 1st because Conte is a genius and went 3-5-2 LUL They were in disarray last year cos lolMoanriniho pissed everyone off and they couldnt be arsed.

They are not doing a Leicester (A genuine inferior squad)

Chelsea are still far outperforming Hiddink's side of earlier this year with their "3-5-2".

Tbh the squad quality was never in doubt. Like I said earlier in the 'are Spurs really that good' thread Chelsea needed a box to box midfielder, a backup striker and a CB. We got Alonso in because we had Baba Rahman go out but if we were insisting on playing the 3-4-3 3-5-2 at the start of the season which was never his intention(hence why I said we'll play 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 like we did then) then he would have still been here. Alonso has been solid so far(like Ivan in his good days solid) but his faults are clear on the pitch, fullbacks really should be quick, or at least have a good top speed. In all honesty he's good enough to start but could do with some competition.

They were in disarray last year cos lolMoanriniho pissed everyone off and they couldnt be arsed.

Chelsea are still far outperforming Hiddink's side of earlier this year with their "3-5-2".

So you agree it is all to do with the manager?

Well done for completely contradicting yourself and destroying your own argument.

It is all to do with the manager if he decides to slap his penis across his players faces and making them collectively down tools to get him fired

Pretty rare and unusual circumstance though and not the same as roaring up a managers backside cos he's the cool hipster guy who had a good run over a small sample of games or a cool foreign spanish bloke who had elite squads playing against a bunch of Paella and Bratwurst factory workers for 90% of the year

It's rare for players not to play for a manager?

No you're completely right. Everyone in the football business is wrong and you are right. Manager's aren't important what so ever. We'll just ignore the countless examples of the same squads of players performing better or worse under different managers. Or the fact that tactics (determined by managers) are a thing in football.

This isn't A level PE mate. Formations, team selection, man management, signings all play an important role in a team's success. Coincidentally, the duties mostly determined by the manager.

Are you saying its common for teams to fall out with the manager and go from champions to bottom half of the table? lol?? The circumstances of chelseas season with carneiro incident are pretty well known and it doesnt take a genius to put 2 and 2 together

Yes i know I am right.. Thats why Avram Grant can take a team to the champions league final and runner up in the prem.. its why Brendan Rodgers can lead Liverpool to their greatest prem season ever playing scintillating football


Its why England have been gash for decades in big tournaments be it Capello and Erickson or little owl Roy

Its why Roberto di matteo could win the FA cup and Champions league.. a few years later he is sacked by championship side Aston Villa

Its why apart from one freak Leicester season, the richest clubs paying the best wages and biggest fee's for the best players dominate the top of the table. Not because their managers are geniuses

There is one area a manager can have a strong influence on things and that is signings although i am not talking about the big champs league and oil clubs with unlimited cheque books of course.