I think I figured out how to fix the education system Seriously!

One of the reasons private schools tend to do better is that they can afford to pay for the best teachers. If the model is rolled out nationwide that ability is diluted to the point where it doesn't exist. The best teachers will still gravitate to the best schools meaning there's still a gap in the end results.

One of the reasons private schools tend to do better is that they can afford to pay for the best teachers. If the model is rolled out nationwide that ability is diluted to the point where it doesn't exist. The best teachers will still gravitate to the best schools meaning there's still a gap in the end results.

well that could be said about any business maybe the reason McDonald succeeds is they can afford the best managers? same for Burger King? same for pizza hut? same for satarbucks? same for insert a whole load more companies.

by that logic only a very few business would ever succeed because they take all the best employees, and you may say most business fail but I mean Maybe a few McDonald restaurants or Pizza huts might be successful but nationwide most would fail because the best managers are all concentrated elsewhere.

There are many people with talent, who can be trained better then they currently are, if we have a shortage of skilled teaches why? because their isn't a shortage of people who have the capacity to be great teachers.

Hence the strength of capitalism when Business benefit from great teachers they will pay what is needed teacher salary will likely go up and more talented people will seek to be teachers.

No because teaching and management are very different skills - a lot of people can't teach, however good their skill set in that industry/area are...

Think of lecturers, for a lot of them who can't teach to save their life, but are doing it because they're excellent in their field...

Also, having them reach certain targets will turn schools into exam passing businesses rather than what the current motivation of schooling is - to teach us, and help us understand the subjects, not just get everyone getting a C.

I didn't say the managers would be teachers did I? Managers and Chefs require different skill sets but restaurants are still private businesses, the managers have ways of getting or training great chefs same for teachers or any skill set.



Exams are supposed to measure a students ability in certain subjects if training to pass exams is not getting the students to the appropriate ability then its not training them for the exams which is the problem,

its the exams themselves. So change the syllabus or exam styles in this case.

There are many people with talent, who can be trained better then they currently are, if we have a shortage of skilled teaches why? because their isn't a shortage of people who have the capacity to be great teachers.

No, you didn't say they would be, but that wasn't my point - my point was that you can train a lot of professions - I think one thing which is a lot harder to train to get them all up to as high a standard as the good teachers, is teachers... I think a lot of it is that you're a teacher because you want to be, not because you get paid big bucks. We need so many teachers but can't just afford to pay enough that people are persuaded to be a teacher if they're not actually passionate about it imo.

Yes, maybe the exams are the problem, but whatever is in the exam, there's always going to be a possibility of just teaching people for he exam, and caring less about the other aspects of the child's life, for example general understanding in the subject, as well as the pastoral care... again, I don't think that's something which paying people enough to become teachers is going to be done by... if someone's not really that interested in helping and teaching children, they won't put as much effort in and just simply won't care as much as those teachers who're doing it for the job itself, rather than just being trained to be a teacher for money imo.

There is a shortage of people who want to be teachers, though.

Having the "great training" available won't solve that, and still won't solve the problem of their being a gap between the best teachers and the worst teachers which will always happen if you're hiring hundreds of thousands of them.

And your proposal won't help that. If anything, it'll make it worse.

How would it make things worse and not help?? that makes literally no sense. If teacher salaries went up their would be a greater supply of teachers.

Well that is a bit silly with all due respect Doctors tidy sum, should it only be people who are passionate about been doctors because they care should we just cap the salary at 30k for doctors on that logic?

for any career path their are multiple factors that encourage people into it Money is one factor, Job satisfaction is another factor etc.

You can love a job but it does not pay enough so you don't seek that profession you can merely like a job but others pay better so you pass it over etc etc.

Literally any profession has money/passion as a factor, more money does not necessarily lead to bad performance in fact it incentives better performance in most cases.

passionate caring teachers is a business model that can really work well too.

A lot of schools currently just teach on how to pass exams. I should not be able to pass exams if I do not actually understand the material.

People assume that private schools are for rich people, completely untrue. My parents got a fat bursary from the military to send us and lots of the other kids were in that situation too. We beat all the local state schools at football ffs.

Because, as you said in your first post, when a school meets or exceeds their targets, they get more money.

So when a school doesn't meet those targets, they'll get less money.
Less money means less competitive teachers means worse teachers.
Worse teachers means scores go down.
Scores go down meaning less money.
Less money means those worse teachers are now too expensive to be employed...

Your whole idea is predicated on the notion that schools can only get better. But what if they don't? You've made no allowances for that.

And you're acting as though the Government has a bottomless pit of money to be able to pay whatever. It doesn't. That's the point.

No, but doctors have to go through much more training, and they also get paid way more than even private school teachers get paid...


Yes, but I feel that teaching is one where the money is a small factor, because they get paid crap - by your idea, it's not like teachers are going to get paid massively more...


Yes, but how much would you expect teachers to get paid under your idea? Probably not enough to persuade people to do teaching just for the money...


But you've still got to find those teachers, and that still doesn't eradicate the problem of some of them being absolutely rubbish... As Drewski said, getting a bunch more teachers trained up won't eliminate the gap - some teachers will always be better than others!

I disagree - for GCSEs at least, you do not need to understand anything in my opinion, just be able to do a set process which you are taught, and to memorise things. There's a big difference between understanding something, and memorising it - and yes, there is a problem with the exams imo, but it'll be interesting to see what the new GCSE system is going to do, and whether it's actually a good improvement.

and if a business does not meet its target it likely goes under. The government does not need a bottomless pit of money Business is highly efficient and cost effective they need to be to survive. Either they get better or the same for less or they pay more but get much better which will have long term economic benefits.

and if a business does not meet its target it likely goes under. The government does not need a bottomless pit of money Business is highly efficient and cost effective they need to be to survive. Either they get better or the same for less or they pay more but get much better which will have long term economic benefits.



I don't know what the adequate salary for a good teacher would need to be I don't need to know that and would be guessing so would most people right now. The market can work that out and come out with appropriate numbers.

I accept in the past it has been possible to ace exams without understanding by memorizing and rote learning this is the fault of the exam system and syllabus not the fault of schools, whom currently coach students to pass exams.

Rubbish teachers would either be re trained or fired.

Ok, so a school goes under. Then what? 1000-1500 kids just left on the streets?... What's the next part of the plan?

Under your scheme the gov does need a bottomless pit - or does the money only go up after test scores to a certain point? Doesn't that then negate the chance for a business to be able to pay "what it likes" for the suitable members of staff?