For all of those who think Pep will get found out in the PL

Maybe not as drastic as going from champions to bottom half of the league but plenty of teams with great players can go on bad runs of form if they get a new manager or fall out with their existing one. Hell look at Madrid in Jose's last season there...

No idea why you brought England up because it's a perfect example against your argument. A team full of good players who can't play well together because they play under inept managers who along with being tactically clueless, can't inspire motivation either.

Of course the richest teams are going to dominate. They have the best players, best coaching and the best managers. They have the overall package. But then you have Leicester, RB Leipzig this year, Atletico in recent seasons, who thanks to good management combined with some luck have managed to exceed expectations.

You need to be pretty ignorant to ignore the effects a manager has. Are you saying Guardiola didn't create one of the greatest teams of all time in 2012? Or that United would have dominated for so long even with questionable teams sometimes under Sir Alex? Or that Simeone developed Atletico into the most organised team in football?

You must surely be a troll.

I have already said that falling out with the manager obviously effects the team ffs .. No England do not have a great bunch of players and have certaintly never had the best team in the world or even top 3 . You are proably a millenial and dont know that Sven and Capello were your Peps and Klopps of them times with huge success at previous teams.

Pep didnt create the greatest team of 2012 because he didnt impregnate himself and give birth to Lionel Messi and co. Its absurd you can think that the success of Barca was Pep and not the most talented superior squad of players that has ever existed

No doubt Simeone has got himself an organised side and thats great which makes me think you are missing the point of my argument. I am not saying a manager does not have a style or a way to play... i am saying its pretty neglible to the overall results and success of that team and what is important is the quality of the players in that team

Do you think Peps City team get their ********s torn open week after week by Celtic and Leicester and so on because of Peps tactics and love of possession or is it because Clichy, Bravo, Sagna, Kolarov and John Stones are poor defenders, particuarly with little protection coming from midfield?

Munich conceded 17 goals in bundeslolga in Peps last season. Peps City have conceded 20 goals in 17 games in the prem under Pep...

Has Peps masterclass tactics and philosophy got weaker and changed, or is it because his team is no longer like goliath v a league of davids?

Which 3 teams in 2006 were better than this?

Robinson
Carragher Ferdinand Terry Cole
Beckham Lampard Hargreaves Cole
Rooney Owen

I have already said that falling out with the manager obviously effects the team ffs .. No England do not have a great bunch of players and have certaintly never had the best team in the world or even top 3 . You are proably a millenial and dont know that Sven and Capello were your Peps and Klopps of them times with huge success at previous teams.

Pep didnt create the greatest team of 2012 because he didnt impregnate himself and give birth to Lionel Messi and co. Its absurd you can think that the success of Barca was Pep and not the most talented superior squad of players that has ever existed

No doubt Simeone has got himself an organised side and thats great which makes me think you are missing the point of my argument. I am not saying a manager does not have a style or a way to play... i am saying its pretty neglible to the overall results and success of that team and what is important is the quality of the players in that team

Do you think Peps City team get their ********s torn open week after week by Celtic and Leicester and so on because of Peps tactics and love of possession or is it because Clichy, Bravo, Sagna, Kolarov and John Stones are poor defenders, particuarly with little protection coming from midfield?

Munich conceded 17 goals in bundeslolga in Peps last season. Peps City have conceded 20 goals in 17 games in the prem under Pep...

Has Peps masterclass tactics and philosophy got weaker and changed, or is it because his team is no longer like goliath v a league of davids?

Argentina
Brazil
Italy
France
Portugal
The Netherlands
Spain
Germany

England were definitely better than Holland, Spain and Germany, it seems you based this on reputation. I think they were at least equal to Portugal, Argentina and Brazil. It was only the world cup finalists who were genuinely better on paper.

Which 3 teams in 2006 were better than this?

Robinson
Carragher Ferdinand Terry Cole
Beckham Lampard Hargreaves Cole
Rooney Owen

Stop trying to make fetch happen. We all know he's going to do just fine in this league.

Post here so we can laugh at you in a years time

I notice Swansea are on like their third or fourth manager of the season All of em crap managers obv, not the players and squad that suckssss

City fans... you're 3-0 down... ahahahahahahahaahahahaha

Make that 4

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