What if: You've worked 50 hours this week and stopped after that. Fair enough?

i think simply refusing to do more than 50 hours a week would get you in the firing line of any superior in a school. Books have to be marked, data has to be inputted, and on top of that you have the regular distractions of this of dealing with students, which sounds sad - because that's the reason your there - but regularly staff must use the time they dedicate to all the paperwork that comes with teaching to deal with students. Which means staying late, working through lunch or taking your work home with you. I think simply refusing to do more hours just wouldn't work. It's sounds ridiculous. I work in admin in school til the end of next week, I may get a ten minute lunch break if im lucky. People tell me who don't work in a school, go, it's your unpaid break. But the culture is there for all staff. I know this is nothing compared to the hours teachers throw in - but when you have less responsibility and being paid 10 grand less than a teacher - it stills comes to something. There's no stopping in the education culture, so if you stand up and go against that - you will be the only one.

I think this is covering teaching specifically when ops post appeared more of a generic principle a number of points in response to this.

Firstly it mentioned he is doing a maths degree well i have said many times that a degree should be a full time job so if you decide to take extra work into that then you have put yourself i. That situation and should be expected to do the same work load anyone else would be.

As is the situation for anyone that takes on a seconadary job.

I also think that if you take on a job for whatever reason knowing in advance the commitments which you should because you should have researched then you don't have a right to make demand and for changes to those conditions etc. Now if the conditions or terms were mis represented or not what a reasonable person on your position would have been led to believe I think you definitely have a case in that situation.

Teaching is known to be a profession that requires long hours apparently so you know in advance what you are committing to.

Myself been autistic, I have little confidence that I would be able to deal with or handle a class of 30 students with many of them been unruly or misbehaving. Sure if all 30 children behaved like angels and were fully engaged I think I could teach just fine but we all know that is rarely the case. I avoid the profession because I would never be able to cope with misbehaving children.

However I should point out that even been guaranteed perfect anagels which I know is not possible it is still a profession I would not choose to pursue, because of the long hours and low pay.

It is all very well saying people should be passionate about the job etc you could say that about almost anything.

The fact is though that of their is a shortage of people going into a field or staying in that field that shortage exists for a reason. Their could be many reasons for this one could be that the pay is to low another could be that the hours are too long or maybe it's that many feel they don't et enough respect for what they do and they are over regulated/monitored etc. We need to address what can and needs to be done to make the career choice of been a teacher more attractive. Which might require more pay and less hour or might require a number of other things. Personally I think pay and hours probably is a significant contributing factor but I am pretty sure their will be other factors too. It's unreasonable to take on a job knowing the terms and commitments of that job and then refuse to abide by those however great or bad those terms and commitments may be. It is also naive and impractical to refuse to alnowledge their is a problem when you have a shortage of people wanting to do that job.

I also think that if you take on a job for whatever reason knowing in advance the commitments which you should because you should have researched then you don't have a right to make demand and for changes to those conditions etc. Now if the conditions or terms were mis represented or not what a reasonable person on your position would have been led to believe I think you definitely have a case in that situation.

Teaching is known to be a profession that requires long hours apparently so you know in advance what you are committing to.

We need to address what can and needs to be done to make the career choice of been a teacher more attractive. Which might require more pay and less hour or might require a number of other things. Personally I think pay and hours probably is a significant contributing factor but I am pretty sure their will be other factors too.

It's unreasonable to take on a job knowing the terms and commitments of that job and then refuse to abide by those however great or bad those terms and commitments may be.

It is also naive and impractical to refuse to alnowledge their is a problem when

I agree - but where does it state how many hours are to be done ? It's all so vague. If you could point me to somewhere which states what the commitments actually are that would be great as I can't really find anything that isn't a blank cheque on the part of employer.

I wish more people in this country were like the OP. If more people stood up to the extreme demands made in some areas of teaching then a change for the better would be beneficial for staff and learners alike. I really do believe that.

Further education isn't a cake walk but the hours can be less than secondary. This may be an option for you.