do muslims have a future in the west?

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ANY Muslim who doesn't hate ISIS isn't a Muslim. Therefore, all Muslims hate ISIS. Probably even more than non-Muslims, lol.

True but of course people will say ISIS and it's few radicalised supporters are muslims and somehow will make it out as if they're the face of every Muslim.

Reply 41

username2715229

Original post by zayn008

True but of course people will say ISIS and it's few radicalised supporters are muslims and somehow will make it out as if they're the face of every Muslim.

Yes, but what I'm trying to say is anyone who supports ISIS can't be considered Muslim, even though they think they are. Once a Muslim reaches that level they are no longer a human, let alone Muslim.

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Josb

Original post by Ray04

"tried and tested science which has shown to be pretty accurate" - surveys showed brexit wouldn't happen, then brexit happened. Surveys showed trump wouldn't become president, trump became president. & many more instances where surveys, polls and statistics simply failed - http://www.statisticsviews.com/details/feature/10094931/Why-do-polls-keep-failing-everywhere.html

Polls about Brexit and Trump were only wrong by a few percentage points, or within the margin of errors. A few percentage points may change the results of some elections, but it doesn't change the big picture when it deals with opinions.

Reply 43

Josb

Original post by Plantagenet Crown

Yes, but as the generations pass they will probably become a lot less conservative and Islam will essentially die just like Christianity has.

Several studies have shown that many young Muslims are more radical than their parents.

Reply 44

Ray04

Original post by Plantagenet Crown

Yeah, no one would say it was 91%. The data collected is probably fairly representative of British Muslims and certainly representative of Muslims worldwide as extensive Pew research has shown.

I was disagreeing on the basis that the data suggested 91% British muslims believed that homosexuality should be illegal. Considering the majority of British muslims are probably British born and educated, they would be more accepting of homosexuality. Infact I've read recently there Is a growing number of homosexual muslims 'coming out of the closet', there is likely a larger population of gay people in the Muslim community but won't express sexuality out openly due to a number of factors. I have nothing against muslims or any faith, if you believe being gay should be illegal that's your opinion, everyone is entitled to one.

Reply 45

Plantagenet Crown

Original post by Josb

Several studies have shown that many young Muslims are more radical than their parents.

Indeed, but I don't see how Muslims living in the West could carry on becoming more and more extreme as generations pass. Their conservatism may plateau and then decline.

Reply 46

alexistz98

Yes of course you do! I hate islamophobia as much as you do, most decent British people appreciate and support British Muslims and the contribution s you've made to britaIn

Reply 47

Josb

Original post by Plantagenet Crown

Indeed, but I don't see how Muslims living in the West could carry on becoming more and more extreme as generations pass. Their conservatism may plateau and then decline.

In ghettos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899540/Go-away-shouldn-t-Don-t-come-corner-Yorkshire-no-white-residents.html

Reply 48

Saviorz

Original post by Josb

In ghettos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899540/Go-away-shouldn-t-Don-t-come-corner-Yorkshire-no-white-residents.html

Don't cite a Daily Mail article and expect people to take you seriously.

Reply 49

username2371841

Original post by Ladbants

No, actually they're allowed to keep their religion since we have freedom of religion in this country. As long as they don't break any British laws by following their religion, they are allowed to stay. And even those who don't abide by British laws aren't going to be deported, they will be tried for their crimes in Britain and sentenced here just like any other British criminal.

you're not too bad :smile:

Reply 50

Josb

Original post by Saviorz

Don't cite a Daily Mail article and expect people to take you seriously.

The facts mentioned there are authentic.

Reply 51

Saviorz

Original post by Josb

The facts mentioned there are authentic.

"Many, I imagine, have been brought to the UK" Yep very authentic.

Reply 52

Josb

Original post by Saviorz

"Many, I imagine, have been brought to the UK" Yep very authentic.

The fact that almost only radical Muslims live in the ghetto, which was relevant to the discussion.

Reply 53

Saviorz

Original post by Josb

The fact that almost only radical Muslims live in the ghetto, which was relevant to the discussion.

Correlation does not equal to causation, it's an argumental fallacy that most right wingers seem to fall for.

Reply 54

Josb

Original post by Saviorz

Correlation does not equal to causation, it's an argumental fallacy that most right wingers seem to fall for.

I was answering someone who asked who could radical Muslims could become more extreme whilst in the UK, I answered him by living in ghettos, and illustrated this with an example of a ghetto. I don't see what the "correlation does not equal causation" has to do with this.

Reply 55

Saviorz

Original post by Josb

First of all there is no evidence that there is an increase in ghettos. So this would mean there won't necessarily be a greater number of conservative muslims. The person you replied to said that the conservative views would plateau and decline, which you conveniently ignored.

Second of all, a correlation between ghettos and extremism does not mean that ghettos are the root cause of extremism nor does it spur extremism. Ghettos are just a term used by people to make it seem like some sort of invasion. The whole point of the fallacy is that its used by lazy people that fail to consider all the factors within an issue, in this case socio-economic ones.

Reply 56

subhastar

Original post by c0lew0rld

As Islamophobia is on the rise, and it's only going to get worst as time goes by.
what you think will happen in 20 years will the Muslim continue to grow, or will all Muslim be departed in present .
I think the second is likely more (i'm Muslim btw)

As a Ummah, we're not doing well, there's no unity between Muslims anymore.its a sad fact. If there's no unity what will become of us? We will struggle to fight. It's been written somewhere, I can't remember from where exactly but... Even though there soooo many Muslims in this world, we still cannot unite and fight for what is right. We are all just so lost,especially the youth, they're more confused than ever. Not saying all are like that but let's be honest majority of us are. I'm 17 years old, I may not have enough experience but I have quite a lot of knowledge about our religion.
The Ummah will be reunited once we wake up from this fantasy world
This is a sign of the end of times..

Reply 57

Kravence

Once the old fashioned ones die out and become the minority of the religion.

If it continues the way it is now, I reckon full on bans will come on the religion eventually

Reply 58

Josb

Original post by Saviorz

Planta and I were both making conjunctures. I said that it is very possible that the number of radical Muslims still continue to grow.

Original post by Saviorz

Second of all, a correlation between ghettos and extremism does not mean that ghettos are the root cause of extremism nor does it spur extremism. Ghettos are just a term used by people to make it seem like some sort of invasion. The whole point of the fallacy is that its used by lazy people that fail to consider all the factors within an issue, in this case socio-economic ones.

It is obvious that when you live among people that all share the same extreme views and with little contact with the rest of the population, you are far more likely to develop the same extreme views.