The anti Obama protesters.
You made a comment implying they were not as violent as the anti Trump protesters but they carried out equal levels of violence after Obama was sworn in as president. For example burning down a black church.

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Pikachū

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Original post by StrawbAri

The anti Obama protesters.
You made a comment implying they were not as violent as the anti Trump protesters but they carried out equal levels of violence after Obama was sworn in as president. For example burning down a black church.

But this thread is about liberals and those 'protestors' didn't claim to be liberal, whereas these anti Trump ones do.

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Original post by Shadow Hunters

Fact is he's president but that doesn't mean we can't hold him to account. Protests are a key part of the democratic process.
I am wholeheartedly against him getting rid of climate change action, to me climate change is an issue that shouldn't be left until it's too late,
But not only that, he didn't get the most votes! He got over a million less than Clinton. That's odd.
But Abraham Lincoln won the election with less votes than his opponent and he did a great job as president in my opinion. So we'll just have to see but Trumps outlook I don't agree with.

you're definitely right about protests keeping him accountable. However he hasn't done anything yet. He's probably just installing his tanning booth at the white house atm. Plus the manner of the protests; causing property damage, setting vehicles on fire etc. It's unjust. Btw I do agree on the climate change, I feel it's a major problem that needs to be addressed and the Paris agreement or whatever it's called needs to be kept in place despite 'Murica. Did i mention the protests are damaging property in Washington which is massively democrat ahahaha that's it destroy each other property; great idea.

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JackG9

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Original post by StrawbAri

The anti Obama protesters.
You made a comment implying they were not as violent as the anti Trump protesters but they carried out equal levels of violence after Obama was sworn in as president. For example burning down a black church.

That poor black church... But in all serious that's a minority of extreme right republicans. The scale of the protests by the "Liberals" are much much more violent and damaging.

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JackG9

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Original post by Shadow Hunters

Fact is he's president but that doesn't mean we can't hold him to account. Protests are a key part of the democratic process.
I am wholeheartedly against him getting rid of climate change action, to me climate change is an issue that shouldn't be left until it's too late,
But not only that, he didn't get the most votes! He got over a million less than Clinton. That's odd.
But Abraham Lincoln won the election with less votes than his opponent and he did a great job as president in my opinion. So we'll just have to see but Trumps outlook I don't agree with.

you're definitely right about protests keeping him accountable. However he hasn't done anything yet. He's probably just installing his tanning booth at the white house atm. Plus the manner of the protests; causing property damage, setting vehicles on fire etc. It's unjust. Btw I do agree on the climate change, I feel it's a major problem that needs to be addressed and the Paris agreement or whatever it's called needs to be kept in place despite 'Murica. Did i mention the protests are damaging property in Washington which is massively democrat ahahaha that's it destroy each others property; great idea.

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ChaoticButterfly

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Original post by Pikachū

And then goes back into his own house, locks the door, turns on his tv and macbook...

"In political/economic theory, notably socialist, Marxist, and most anarchist philosophies, the distinction between private and personal property is extremely important."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property

Better luck next time :wink:

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Original post by JackG9

Not to the same extent as Trump

Due to not being a colossal knob, Obama was several times more popular than Trump. Some of the right still burnt effigies of him though.

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JackG9

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Original post by Gwilym101

Due to not being a colossal knob, Obama was several times more popular than Trump. Some of the right still burnt effigies of him though.

Trump is a ****, I'm not disagreeing. I'm not a Trumpleton ffs. Obama is obviously more popular because he's politically correct and the media ****ing buzz off him.

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Original post by JackG9

you're definitely right about protests keeping him accountable. However he hasn't done anything yet. He's probably just installing his tanning booth at the white house atm. Plus the manner of the protests; causing property damage, setting vehicles on fire etc. It's unjust. Btw I do agree on the climate change, I feel it's a major problem that needs to be addressed and the Paris agreement or whatever it's called needs to be kept in place despite 'Murica. Did i mention the protests are damaging property in Washington which is massively democrat ahahaha that's it destroy each other property; great idea.

I get it, I don't agree with using violence of course. It never really leads to anything good, diplomacy is always the way. :colonhash:

I saw on tv windows being smashed but remember that was a select few, most were protesting peacefully.
He's president now and I accept that but what he's said was divisive in his campaign and it's up to him to unite the country.
He has to sorta realise where the line is with policy and what people want, he's gotta listen to the people.
I feel like he's saying a lot of things as if America can just stop everything like "hey we're here no more Paris agreement" but he can't just do that. :frown:

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Original post by Shadow Hunters

I get it, I don't agree with using violence of course. It never really leads to anything good, diplomacy is always the way. :colonhash:

I saw on tv windows being smashed but remember that was a select few, most were protesting peacefully.
He's president now and I accept that but what he's said was divisive in his campaign and it's up to him to unite the country.
He has to sorta realise where the line is with policy and what people want, he's gotta listen to the people.
I feel like he's saying a lot of things as if America can just stop everything like "hey we're here no more Paris agreement" but he can't just do that. :frown:

The job of the president is to do what's best for the country. However I totally agree that it should be based off public interest. I mean when he goes on about global warming being a conspiracy theory; the temptation to blast american idiot by green day is hard to resist. He definitely needs to unite 'Murica or many problems will occur in terms of more protests.I think the countries within the Paris agreement need to stay strong and not give in. However he can just do that, which sucks. I really hope he listens to "The people". It's really sad, everyone had just started heading the right way with climate change and this will completely disrupt it.

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JackG9

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https://youtu.be/ZNgkgZ0eOMs
Thank me later :wink:

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Shadow Hunters

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Original post by JackG9

The job of the president is to do what's best for the country. However I totally agree that it should be based off public interest. I mean when he goes on about global warming being a conspiracy theory; the temptation to blast american idiot by green day is hard to resist. He definitely needs to unite 'Murica or many problems will occur in terms of more protests.I think the countries within the Paris agreement need to stay strong and not give in. However he can just do that, which sucks. I really hope he listens to "The people". It's really sad, everyone had just started heading the right way with climate change and this will completely disrupt it.

If it was the USA and a few small countries including the UK and maybe some of NATO then yes they'd have the power. But China is in this agreement I believe and I think a lot of it's on them. I think India are in which is good because of their huge population. I guess for the next 4 years other western or upcoming countries will have to work on it. I'm really proud of what's been done in the UK as far as renewable energy goes, I hope we can continue to be green! :smile:

And I hope Trump realised the benefits of it.

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I think conservatives are more out of touch since they're so obsessed with criticising liberals and leftists. It's gotten to a point where the only point they make is actually rebutting a point from the liberals.

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JackG9

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Original post by Shadow Hunters

If it was the USA and a few small countries including the UK and maybe some of NATO then yes they'd have the power. But China is in this agreement I believe and I think a lot of it's on them. I think India are in which is good because of their huge population. I guess for the next 4 years other western or upcoming countries will have to work on it. I'm really proud of what's been done in the UK as far as renewable energy goes, I hope we can continue to be green! :smile:

And I hope Trump realised the benefits of it.

The sooner we can get nuclear fission or fusion(the one which we haven't managed yet) going so we can create all the energy we need for weeks with a few buckets of water. But till then we have to prioritise renewable. It's a problem without an easy solution. If China and India stay part of it I'm sure it'll be fine. Just the worry they might decide that if America doesn't have to cut down on carbon emission then why should they.

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ILoveVoe

Trump is racist, the kind of person who voted BREXIT in UK :smile:

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Original post by ILoveVoe

Trump is racist, the kind of person who voted BREXIT in UK :smile:

Typical assumptions. What's that? political correctness and virtue signalling didn't win you an election? say Trump's racist , sexist and a teletubby.

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Original post by JackG9

The sooner we can get nuclear fission or fusion(the one which we haven't managed yet) going so we can create all the energy we need for weeks with a few buckets of water. But till then we have to prioritise renewable. It's a problem without an easy solution. If China and India stay part of it I'm sure it'll be fine. Just the worry they might decide that if America doesn't have to cut down on carbon emission then why should they.

There's also biofuels which I think are renewable but there isn't the funding? They'll not use that until they've sucked the ground dry of all its oil. Completely tragic. :frown:

Yeah I hope they will, it upsets me that Trump has just completely disregarded climate change but hopefully four years isn't gonna be enough to make it too late. :redface:

Yeah that's my concern too although I do think maybe China would use it to say "look at us we care about the environment, work with us" and stay in which may be for their own gain but at least they'd stay in.

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Original post by SHallowvale

Protesting a result is not the same thing as protesting democracy.

You don't have to accept the result of an election and 'unite' behind that. If you did then we shouldn't even bother having democracy at all.

Am with you on the EU and also hate Trump.

But SWP placards with "No to Trump" on them? Surely that is protesting democracy.

The problem with the left at the moment - I say this as a man of the left - is the faux virtuousness and insincerity. No need to debate any more because if you hold an alternative view you're a racist!

Not saying the world population should "unite" behind Trump. Just that protests like the ones in Washington and London today smack of the same old "we know best" from the left. It's not a good enough argument any more.

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