Trump 'to sign orders restricting refugees from Muslim nations'

Vikings discovered North America before the "indians"

There are reports of Iranian students in the U.S. (with valid visas) who were abroad (one visiting family in Austria), have since tried to return, and been denied entry and sent back.

https://twitter.com/hdagres/status/825292253048557568

What is shocking is that this ban applies to green card holders who are legal residents of the U.S., that, upon returning from leaving the country (for holidays, etc), may find that they cannot reenter their home country.

This ban is incredibly ineffective and disproportionate.

Firstly, this doesn't really seem to be a "Muslim ban" - it doesn't include the country with the largest population of Muslims (India), nor the largest Muslim-majority country (Indonesia), nor Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Secondly, there have been very few terrorist attacks in the U.S. by Muslim immigrants. Even fewer from the countries actually affected by this ban. When we look at the nationalities of the 9/11 hijackers we see that 15/19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, none of them were from the 6 countries subject to this ban. There are more Americans in ISIS than Iranians in ISIS.

Thirdly, the threat of terrorism is clearly most likely to arise in the domestic context - that is to say, home grown terrorists. This ban does nothing to address this issue, other than further marginalise American Muslims and provide further fuel to ISIS/radical elements. Curiously, if we want to address the problem of home grown terrorism, dealing with Saudi Arabia's funding of Wahabbism across the globe might be a good place to start.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-funding-islamic-extremism-west-german-vice-chancellor-sigmar-gabriel-a6763366.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html?_r=0

What about people that are from these countries by birth but don't hold citizenship for their home countries? I.e. An Iranian that isn't a citizen of Iran but maybe of Australia and has lived in Australia all their life. Are they denied entry also?

I've just seen a report that "Lufthansa, Qatar, Emirates aren't taking any Iranian passport holders to the U.S., also those with Green Cards, airline official says".

https://twitter.com/ThomasErdbrink/status/825303066215854080


I don't really understand your scenario? If they are not citizens of Iran then they should be fine. The problem is that even legal residents in the U.S. with green cards may be refused re-entry to the U.S. if they leave.

I suspect I did overestimate its importance in the electoral process.

You are however trying to compare two different things, the process of convincing voters and that of not making statements which hamstring your lawyers' freedom of argument.


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Please explain...

Every President before built the Great Wall of 'Merica without congressional support?

Every President before basically banned immigration based upon religious affiliation, all without congressional support?

Hunh. My counter-argument would be, "Eisenhower using executive orders to decide where a base should be built is not of the same breadth, depth and extent of interpretation as Trump's. Even Obama, whom I criticized for executive ordering his health care act in to existence, did not abuse the system as much as Trump did." if that wasn't your argument, but since I already explained why he was a Statist and you stated every other president was just as bad, I'm guessing you simply aren't open to realizing just how badly he's abusing powers that have been abused in the past.

That's cool, ,but you aren't going to find any support except from die-hard Trump supporters.

Every President before built the Great Wall of 'Merica without congressional support?

Every President before basically banned immigration based upon religious affiliation, all without congressional support?

Hunh. My counter-argument would be, "Eisenhower using executive orders to decide where a base should be built is not of the same breadth, depth and extent of interpretation as Trump's. Even Obama, whom I criticized for executive ordering his health care act in to existence, did not abuse the system as much as Trump did." if that wasn't your argument, but since I already explained why he was a Statist and you stated every other president was just as bad, I'm guessing you simply aren't open to realizing just how badly he's abusing powers that have been abused in the past.

That's cool, ,but you aren't going to find any support except from die-hard Trump supporters.

The "Mexico will pay" thing is complete tosh. Trump wants the wall then surely its only fair the U.S pays for it. Banning certain immigrants does make sense to me however.

Go to Mexico and get caught with a joint or a 8 ball of crank and you will spend a lot of time in jail there. If your declared an illegal alien on the Mex. side and your family has money your held until you pay a ransome. It's always been like that. All illegal activity at the border happens with government approval because everyone in Gov. gets their piece of the action. The Mex. Gov. is the enemy in the war on drugs IMO this is more than enough to insist Mex. pay for the wall and to extract the money out of them any way we can.

I'm extremely proud of President Trump for turning a blind eye to the PC brigade and the moderate Republicans and going ahead with this Muslim ban. Finally, a president who actually keeps his promises.