The world according to the five tier political compass

Did some 'role playing' as various individuals plus some 'factions' purely for fun on the five tier political compass (found here- http://www.abtirsi.com/quiz2.php)

There's some obvious problems with it- for instance it's slanted to be less libertarian but otherwise it's pretty spot on IMHO. Thoughts?

Donald Trump

Conservative pro government isolationist ultranationalist fundamentalist

Nigel Farage

Objectivist isolationist nativist reactionary

Jeremy Corbyn

Communist authoritarian bleeding-heart traditionalist

Theresa May

Left leaning authoritarian interventionist nationalist traditionalist

Caroline Lucas

Communist Pro government interventionist bleeding heart libertine

Angela Merkel

Left leaning pro government interventionist humanist traditionalist

Hilary Clinton

Left leaning pro government multilateralist humanist liberal

G W Bush

Right leaning anti government interventionist nativist reactionary

Tony Blair

Left leaning pro government world-federalist nationalist traditionalist

Vladimir Putin

Conservative authoritarian interventionist ultranationalist fundamentalist

Justin Trudeau

Communist anti government interventionist humanist liberal

Francois Fillon (probably the same as Thatcher)

Objectivist pro government interventionist nativist fundamentalist

Marine Le Pen

Left leaning totalitarian isolationist ultranationalist traditionalist

The EU (today)🇪🇺

Socialist Authoritarian multilateralist Cosmopolitan moderate

France (today) 🇫🇷

Socialist authoritarian nationalist reactionary

Germany 🇩🇪

Socialist interventionist cosmopolitan moderate

The UK (today) 🇬🇧

Left leaning authoritarian interventionist nativist traditionalist

The US (today) 🇺🇸

Right Leaning pro government non interventionist nationalist reactionary

Nazi Germany

Right leaning totalitarian interventionist ultranationalist fundamentalist

USSR

Communist totalitarian world-federalist nationalist traditionalist

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 1

Davij038

OP

13

If anyone wants to know what I got (in case of bias maybe) I got Objectivist libertarian nativist moderate

Reply 2

h3rmit

15

Communist Pro-Government Multilateralist Humanist Progressive

Reply 3

LisaNikita

2

How is Marine Le Pen left wing? Are you stupid? How is the UK left wing? Did we not vote to leave the EU and elect a conservative? The chances of Labour ever winning a general election are slim. Also Germany is right-leaning. Angela Merkel decided to put down some laws which were more far right than left. Either way. It doesn't matter what you think. Its about the people who will vote.

Reply 4

ChaoticButterfly

20

I wanna say the decline of the traditional family has done more harm than good insofar that in pre agricultural human societies the family unit was just a mashing together of parents and their children. It is what does my head with conservatives, most of their tradition they think is so wonderful and natural is so far removed from how humans have been living for the majority of the species existence.

Reply 5

Connor27

19

Original post by LisaNikita

How is Marine Le Pen left wing? Are you stupid? How is the UK left wing? Did we not vote to leave the EU and elect a conservative? The chances of Labour ever winning a general election are slim. Also Germany is right-leaning. Angela Merkel decided to put down some laws which were more far right than left. Either way. It doesn't matter what you think. Its about the people who will vote.

Is this sense right/left means in terms of economics (i.e. The proper way of expressing it rather than the retarded one dimensional way of viewing politics that most people have.)

For example, you can't really compare someone like Caroline Lucas in the Green Party to Stalin despite both being "left wing" in most people's eyes.

Reply 6

Connor27

19

Here's my result btw:

You are a:

Objectivist Anarchist Interventionist Cosmopolitan Liberal

Reply 7

3121

21

Original post by LisaNikita

How is Marine Le Pen left wing? Are you stupid? How is the UK left wing? Did we not vote to leave the EU and elect a conservative? The chances of Labour ever winning a general election are slim. Also Germany is right-leaning. Angela Merkel decided to put down some laws which were more far right than left. Either way. It doesn't matter what you think. Its about the people who will vote.

The UK is left leaning, we hold many left wing values like free health care, subsidiesed university, welfare state, social housing and we're very liberal. The only reason labour won't win is because of Corbyn, if he's gone in the next 24 months labour can still make gains in 2020 and possibly win 2025.

Reply 8

user 42005

18

Done this test before and, iirc, I got:

Right-Leaning Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Nationalist Liberal

Personally, I'd describe myself as Centrist, bordering on Centre-Right. I'm a pragmatist before an ideologue; if the markets can do something more efficiently than government, let them; if markets are not fit for purpose for a specific task, let the government do it. I think government can be a force for good too, so Pro-Government fits well. I'm more in favour of libertarian paternalism than authoritarianism though. Non-interventionist also fits me well, as I think we should only really get militarily involved in foreign conflicts if it's in our interests and/or requested by the foreign government (we should lend humanitarian support where appropriate though, but that doesn't include allowing hundreds of thousands of refugees into our borders).I'm a bit 'meh' on the nationalist classification, since I'm more of a constitutional patriot than a nationalist. I don't think our society is built upon 'hallowed ground' for example, so simply being born on British/European soil doesn't make you inherently better than other people (obviously), so I'm not nationalist in that sense. However, I certainly think Western values in general are superior to those held in other parts of the world (Western meaning a philosophy of personal liberty, secularism and intellectual & scientific advancement). So I'm definitely patriotic about core values. And the last classification of 'liberal' fits me well, as I am all for personal liberty so long as it doesn't harm others, and oppose traditional values enforced by religion.

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 9

BasicMistake

18

I've done this test before and it has to be one of the least subtle and least nuanced ones out there.

I'm either a communist or a centrist depending on how I feel that day.

Reply 10

Connor27

19

Original post by zayn008

The UK is left leaning, we hold many left wing values like free health care, subsidiesed university, welfare state, social housing and we're very liberal. The only reason labour won't win is because of Corbyn, if he's gone in the next 24 months labour can still make gains in 2020 and possibly win 2025.

It's funny you say that; the only labour leader to have actually won elections since 1974 actually introduced privatisation to the NHS (via PFIs); he also introduced tuition fees as a thing and stopped building social housing.

No distinctly left of centre party has won a UK election in 42 years, Blair was centrist (arguably centre-right). You would've lost 2020 with or without Corbyn, unless maybe Liz Kendall won (which was always unlikely.)

Reply 11

Davij038

OP

13

Original post by Connor27

It's funny you say that; the only labour leader to have actually won elections since 1974 actually introduced privatisation to the NHS (via PFIs); he also introduced tuition fees as a thing and stopped building social housing.

No distinctly left of centre party has won a UK election in 42 years, Blair was centrist (arguably centre-right). You would've lost 2020 with or without Corbyn, unless maybe Liz Kendall won (which was always unlikely.)

I think my above summation of Blair is about right- Blair is centre- left wing in that that he believed in the same ends (high government spending) but not through the same means necessarily, hence being relaxed about millionaires with the caveat that they pay their tax to government

Reply 12

3121

21

Original post by Connor27

It's funny you say that; the only labour leader to have actually won elections since 1974 actually introduced privatisation to the NHS (via PFIs); he also introduced tuition fees as a thing and stopped building social housing.

No distinctly left of centre party has won a UK election in 42 years, Blair was centrist (arguably centre-right). You would've lost 2020 with or without Corbyn, unless maybe Liz Kendall won (which was always unlikely.)

David Miliband had a good chance and would've won 2015 for sure. PFI seemed like a good idea and did help with efficiency but was clearly only a short term remedy. Also immigration has been a topic many tried avoiding and the Conservatives were outspoken on it in 2010, had Gordon Brown made those fake promises about getting it in the 10,000's he would've had a better chance becuase let's be honest, the conservatives (and lib dems) won 2010 and 2015 on a pack of lies. £6,000 tuition fees was easy repayments was hardly a bad thing, it freed up taxpayers money and made university places more available I think it was a good idea, the £9,000 increase by the conservatives and Lib dems was a mistake considering it was the backbone of Lib dem policy, I know many in 2010 who previously voted labour but switched to Conservative/Lib dems over this issue and were stabbed in the back. Either way I think once brexit is out of the way, a centrist Labour Party with some left wing values (like New Labour) will help the economy best. I'd like to see more public ownership rather than non-return investments on things like the railways, most European countries own their railways and make a decent profit from it, those countries also own OUR railways and profit from it. I think it's time the money went to our treasury.

Reply 13

3121

21

I got: Left-Leaning Authoritarian Non-Interventionist Nationalist Progressive.
Sounds about right I guess, people often think I'm very right wing, I think I'm quite left wing with a different approach in terms of the economy and probably a centrist or centre-right when it comes to anything else

Reply 14

MachinesCradle

1

You are a: Communist Totalitarian Ultranationalist Fundamentalist

Collectivism score: 100%
Authoritarianism score: 100%
Internationalism score: 0%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -100%

1. Interventionist should be appended.

2. I am deeply insulted that they call me communist. I despise communists.

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 15

Connor27

19

Original post by MachinesCradle

You are a: Communist Totalitarian Ultranationalist Fundamentalist

Collectivism score: 100%
Authoritarianism score: 100%
Internationalism score: 0%
Tribalism score: 100%
Liberalism score: -100%

1. Interventionist should be appended.

2. I am deeply insulted that they call me communist. I despise communists.

Uhm, you're an ultra authoritarian collectivist nationalist; basically Stalin.

So yeah, communist.

Reply 16

MachinesCradle

1

Original post by Connor27

Uhm, you're an ultra authoritarian collectivist nationalist; basically Stalin.

So yeah, communist.

You are extremely ignorant. Communism is about the worker's freedom and democratic control of the means of production, neither of which I support.

Reply 17

Connor27

19

Original post by MachinesCradle

You are extremely ignorant. Communism is about the worker's freedom and democratic control of the means of production, neither of which I support.

Nope, it's the antithesis of "workers freedom" (how can absolute economic control over peoples' lives be called "freedom?" xD)

Besides, that's the definition of syndicalism.

Syndicalism /=/ communism

Communism is an umbrella term for various ideologies ranging from anarcho-communism; to De Leonism; to Trotskyism: to Marxist-Leninism/Maoism and so on.

If you're an extreme collectivist (as your score would suggest), then you fit in that communist 'umbrella' (in your case more to the authoritarian statist side.)

Also, don't use the first four words of your reply to insult my intelligence, it just makes you look immature and petty.

Reply 18

rolaah

13

Communist Pro-Government World-Federalist Bleeding-Heart Libertine Collectivism

Score: 83% Authoritarianism score: 33% Internationalism score: 100% Tribalism score: -100% Liberalism score: 83%

Reply 19

MachinesCradle

1

Original post by Connor27

Nope, it's the antithesis of "workers freedom" (how can absolute economic control over peoples' lives be called "freedom?" xD)

Besides, that's the definition of syndicalism.

Syndicalism /=/ communism

Communism is an umbrella term for various ideologies ranging from anarcho-communism; to De Leonism; to Trotskyism: to Marxist-Leninism/Maoism and so on.

If you're an extreme collectivist (as your score would suggest), then you fit in that communist 'umbrella' (in your case more to the authoritarian statist side.)

Also, don't use the first four words of your reply to insult my intelligence, it just makes you look immature and petty.

You are diluting the term communist to suit your argument. This cannot work because by definition communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society with democratic control of the means of production. The only societies that have ever been close to communism are the Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, the Zapatista society and the Israeli Kibbutzes.

Syndicalism, MLM, and even state capitalism and bureaucratic collectivism can only be considered proto-communist if they are united under the end goal of orthodox Marxism. I do not support labour unions, the destruction of the state, the end of money or the end of classes so I am by definition not communist, and you are ignorant.

(edited 7 years ago)

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