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"I don't have enough time" is crap, yes you do.

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Original post by Glassapple
You said 7 days a week, that would be well over employment law. The limit encompasses all jobs, it's not doubled if you have two jobs, as the RCN link says.


And just to clarify I didn't imply that I thought it was doubled if it was two jobs tho???? I previously stated that the agency job is PART-TIME, ONLY ON-CALL and IT IS ONLY 1 hours work or even less.
Tbh i've found waking up early makes my day much more productive.
Original post by squirrology
And just to clarify I didn't imply that I thought it was doubled if it was two jobs tho???? I previously stated that the agency job is PART-TIME, ONLY ON-CALL and IT IS ONLY 1 hours work or even less.


Well you said 7 days a week, the most nurses can legally work is 60 hours a week. Nurses don't get paid for their break, so if they do 5 days of 7:30am until 8pm, that's 11.5*5 which is 57.5 hours of work, under the limit. If they tried to do another day in that week they'd break employment law and put the patients at risk for being overworked. In your original post you claimed your mother worked 14 hour days (6am until 8pm), 7 days a week, massively over the employment law limit.
Wow. :K: Not even sure where to start on this one.

You can't judge everyone based on your individual experiences. If you're still at school? Great! Don't need to work to support yourself or your folks? Fab. Aren't battling with an illness that seriously impacts your life? Aren't supporting sick or diabled family members, or raising children? Don't have other commitments or people/groups of people relying on you? Don't have to spend hours travelling back and forth from college/uni/work/other commitments? Then that's lucky for you. :smile:
But other people do. These things and 1000 more. And it doesn't make you any better than anyone else because you don't have these things, and manage to fit different things into your schedule.
Like most people on here (without going into specifics) my life sounds very, very different from the way you describe yours. I have a manic schedule (a well planned one btw :wink: ) and get loads done, but I certainly don't always fit everything in. Sometimes the washing doesn't get done. Sometimes, I miss a night at one of the places I volunteer. Sometimes, dinner for everyone is whatever can be thrown together from what's left in the cupboard, if it happens at all. Sometime, work for my course or planning for a meeting or notes for a training course get done the night before they're needed, and all nighters get pulled. I sometimes have to cancel plans with friends. I don't get to exercise or read for pleasure or practice my music nearly as much as I'd like. And so on and so on.
Now I'm not saying that this makes either of us worse/better etc. We're all different. And that's the point here. You can't and shouldn't judge other people based on how your life is.
Your life isn't the same as everyone elses. I volunteer once a week. By the time I get up there, do my bit and come home again, that's my Saturday morning gone. I'm also disabled. I live alone. So, unlike a lot of you, I've got to either do the housework or get someone to help me do it. And then there's the other things I do, like hobbies. And then there's the endless medical appointments, which depending on the hospital department, can take (including travel time) anything up to 2 hours.

Just because you have time to get everything done, doesn't mean the rest of us do.

Most of you on this website are students and not adults who actually have things like housework, shopping and other boring chores to do.
Original post by Glassapple
Well you said 7 days a week, the most nurses can legally work is 60 hours a week. Nurses don't get paid for their break, so if they do 5 days of 7:30am until 8pm, that's 11.5*5 which is 57.5 hours of work, under the limit. If they tried to do another day in that week they'd break employment law and put the patients at risk for being overworked. In your original post you claimed your mother worked 14 hour days (6am until 8pm), 7 days a week, massively over the employment law limit.


My mother isn't a Nurse, she's a Practitioner and I mean (She leaves for work at 6) starts at 7:30am to 7:30pm (leaves work at this time, and gets home at 8) on a three day period which is 38 hours & if her work gives her overtime then it's only 12-4. I said I wasn't clear on my original post.
Original post by Tiger Rag
Your life isn't the same as everyone elses. I volunteer once a week. By the time I get up there, do my bit and come home again, that's my Saturday morning gone. I'm also disabled. I live alone. So, unlike a lot of you, I've got to either do the housework or get someone to help me do it. And then there's the other things I do, like hobbies. And then there's the endless medical appointments, which depending on the hospital department, can take (including travel time) anything up to 2 hours.

Just because you have time to get everything done, doesn't mean the rest of us do.

Most of you on this website are students and not adults who actually have things like housework, shopping and other boring chores to do.


I agree with you!

Original post by sherbet_lemons7
Wow. :K: Not even sure where to start on this one.

You can't judge everyone based on your individual experiences. If you're still at school? Great! Don't need to work to support yourself or your folks? Fab. Aren't battling with an illness that seriously impacts your life? Aren't supporting sick or diabled family members, or raising children? Don't have other commitments or people/groups of people relying on you? Don't have to spend hours travelling back and forth from college/uni/work/other commitments? Then that's lucky for you. :smile:
But other people do. These things and 1000 more. And it doesn't make you any better than anyone else because you don't have these things, and manage to fit different things into your schedule.
Like most people on here (without going into specifics) my life sounds very, very different from the way you describe yours. I have a manic schedule (a well planned one btw :wink: ) and get loads done, but I certainly don't always fit everything in. Sometimes the washing doesn't get done. Sometimes, I miss a night at one of the places I volunteer. Sometimes, dinner for everyone is whatever can be thrown together from what's left in the cupboard, if it happens at all. Sometime, work for my course or planning for a meeting or notes for a training course get done the night before they're needed, and all nighters get pulled. I sometimes have to cancel plans with friends. I don't get to exercise or read for pleasure or practice my music nearly as much as I'd like. And so on and so on.
Now I'm not saying that this makes either of us worse/better etc. We're all different. And that's the point here. You can't and shouldn't judge other people based on how your life is.


If you can't stick to your commitments, cut some out. The places you volunteer at would much rather you resigned so they can get someone else in who will be there, rather than you cancelling for whatever reason on the same day, that's not fair on them when you let them down. My post was intended for the typical student, not the tiny amount who may be supporting sick family members, which is really a minuscule amount of people on here.

If you're having to spend hours and hours travelling to uni or work, move or study/work somewhere else. You see people on here making two or three hour commutes to uni because their parents 'won't let them' move out. They're adults, they should move out, take control of their lives and save the wasted time, they can't live at home forever.
Original post by Glassapple
If you choose to study a degree in something worthwhile, volunteering becomes unnecessary.


And this is just nonsense in my opinion! :lol: And what would you class as "worthwhile"?


Original post by Glassapple
I have depression, I take meds daily and go to weekly counselling. It doesn't mean I can't make time for things that need to be done. Often the best thing I can do for my depression is throw myself into something productive. I force myself to get on with things and get everything done because I refuse to let my depression define me.

And that's great that you're able to do that. But many many people don't have that option. Depression isn't as simple as a battle of wills! Loads of people (myself included) the meds don't work for and therapy isn't something you can just walk into in most (if any!) parts of the country. Extremely long waiting lists, and normally short blocks of actual therapy. And thats just for things like CBT! For more specialised therapies you're even longer.
So again, you really really can't generalise and judge people based on how things have gone for you.
If you're a student that ALSO isn't in a part time job, or isn't in a particularly rigorous degree the correct excuse is:
'I'm too lazy'

Why do students sleep so much? And why do they get up so late? I have a friend who always get up at like 1pm. OK fair enough, i've been guilty a few times, but it wasn't because I didn't have enough time, I was being lazy.

If you get up at 1pm, that's like 6 hours you could have spent exercising, cleaning, working or w/e.

It's absolute bs for students to say they don't have enough time, they barely do anything except around exam period.
What an ignorant ****ing viewpoint.
Original post by sherbet_lemons7
And this is just nonsense in my opinion! :lol: And what would you class as "worthwhile"?



And that's great that you're able to do that. But many many people don't have that option. Depression isn't as simple as a battle of wills! Loads of people (myself included) the meds don't work for and therapy isn't something you can just walk into in most (if any!) parts of the country. Extremely long waiting lists, and normally short blocks of actual therapy. And thats just for things like CBT! For more specialised therapies you're even longer.
So again, you really really can't generalise and judge people based on how things have gone for you.


If you do a worthwhile degree in say, maths, science, medicine, nursing, engineering, paramedics, etc, you don't need to volunteer for charity or be captain if the rugby team at uni. If you're studying something virtually unemployable like media, journalism, fashion, sociology, psychology, land studies, PE, drama, criminology, etc you'll need to volunteer in whatever just to have one more thing to put on your CV, and at most if you're extremely lucky you'll get an entry-level job. If someone's studying something like that they may as well not have bothered and got a full-time, entry level job and tried to work their way up the ladder in the three years they'd be studying for a pointless degree.

I find my meds don't work and counselling isn't the most productive, but I make the best of it. I don't sit and mope at home all day hoping things will just get better on their own, without engaging in anything productive or worthwhile outside of my depression.
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Original post by Glassapple
If you can't stick to your commitments, cut some out. The places you volunteer at would much rather you resigned so they can get someone else in who will be there, rather than you cancelling for whatever reason on the same day, that's not fair on them when you let them down. My post was intended for the typical student, not the tiny amount who may be supporting sick family members, which is really a minuscule amount of people on here.

If you're having to spend hours and hours travelling to uni or work, move or study/work somewhere else. You see people on here making two or three hour commutes to uni because their parents 'won't let them' move out. They're adults, they should move out, take control of their lives and save the wasted time, they can't live at home forever.


There isn't an abundance of people to run things you know. :tongue: You haven't a clue where I volunteer and what our situation is. :tongue: The other people who help run them are in very similar situations- we juggle and do what we can. Without this, the groups would close- we've been very close to having to close before because people just don't want to volunteer and take the things on. Not letting them down either- it's a team effort, and- believe it or not- we all understand that people have lots of things to juggle in life and cant always make it! :gasp: Things are very rarely black and white. :wink:
And for so many people moving isn't an option. We don't all have the resources just to do that! And can't just up and leave people we have responsibilities towards. Same with your "just move closer" comment. It just isn't an option a lot of the time. If the travelling is something I have to do, it's something I have to do. It's a bit rich you telling us all how easy it is when you haven't had to do any of it yet. :wink:
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Original post by Glassapple
If you do a worthwhile degree in say, maths, science, medicine, nursing, engineering, paramedics, etc, you don't need to volunteer for charity or be captain if the rugby team at uni. If you're studying something virtually unemployable like media, journalism, fashion, sociology, psychology, land studies, PE, drama, criminology etc you'll need to volunteer in whatever just to have one more thing to put on your CV. If someone's studying something like that they may as well not have bothered and got a full-time, entry level job and tried to work their way up the ladder in the three years they're studying for a pointless degree.

I find my meds don't work and counselling isn't the most productive, but I make the best of it. I don't sit and mope at home all day hoping things will just get better on their own, without engaging in anything productive or worthwhile outside of my depression.


Oh dear. :tongue: That's an incredibly narrow viewpoint you have there my friend....
Also, most people I know don't volunteer just to put it on their CV. :lol: There is the whole helping people, giving back, supporting your community and so on. :wink:
You're lucky to have those things in the first place. And so you think people with depression whose illness doesn't allow them to function as well as you do are sitting and moping at home all day, waiting for things to get better? Or not trying? Oh dear. :tongue:
Original post by sherbet_lemons7
Oh dear. :tongue: That's an incredibly narrow viewpoint you have there my friend....
Also, most people I know don't volunteer just to put it on their CV. :lol: There is the whole helping people, giving back, supporting your community and so on. :wink:
You're lucky to have those things in the first place. And so you think people with depression whose illness doesn't allow them to function as well as you do are sitting and moping at home all day, waiting for things to get better? Or not trying? Oh dear. :tongue:


It's not a narrow viewpoint to realise that if you're studying nursing or paramedics you're guaranteed a job (look at the Unistats website, where these graduates walk into a job literally 99-100% of the time a few days after they graduate), and that people who study criminology, sociology and so on are scrambling for entry-level jobs they don't need a degree for. You see journalism and sociology graduates doing master's degrees in something equally as pointless because they think it will get them a job, then it doesn't, and they've still got nothing. There's that famous case of the geology graduate who went to Birmingham who had to take an unpaid job in Poundland because literally nobody else would take her. It's a similar story for the vast majority of people who don't do degrees in something that translates to employment.

The vast majority of students wouldn't volunteer if it wasn't something to put on their CV. Of course some of them like what they volunteer in, but that's not the primary reason they're doing it. You enjoy what you volounteer in and clearly aren't fussed about whether it goes on your CV or not, good for you. The same cannot be said for the general student population, which is who my thread is primarily addressed to.
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Original post by Glassapple
It's not a narrow viewpoint to realise that if you're studying nursing or paramedics you're guaranteed a job (look at the Unistats website, where these graduates walk into a job literally 99-100% of the time a few days after they graduate), and that people who study criminology, sociology and so on are scrambling for entry-level jobs they don't need a degree for. You see journalism and sociology graduates doing master's degrees in something equally as pointless because they think it will get them a job, then it doesn't, and they've still got nothing. There's that famous case of the geology graduate who went to Birmingham who had to take an unpaid job in Poundland because literally nobody else would take her. It's a similar story for the vast majority of people who don't do degrees in something that translates to employment.

The vast majority of students wouldn't volunteer if it wasn't something to put on their CV. Of course some of them like what they volunteer in, but that's not the primary reason they're doing it. You enjoy what you volounteer in and clearly aren't fussed about whether it goes on your CV or not, good for you. The same cannot be said for the general student population, which is who my thread is primarily addressed to.

Employability rates after graduation doesn't dertermine whether or not a degree is "pointless". :lol:
And I'm not sure what you're basing that on? Sure there are some that volunteer for CV purposes, but I certainly wouldn't say the majority. Not even near it! Certainly not in my experieces, and the experiences of people I know. :h: And given that you're still in school, I'm not really sure why you think you can have a go at "the general student population" and tell them what they should and shouldnt be doing, and how much better you are. It's not all the same as some areas of TSR would have you think. :tongue:
Anyhoo, I have to go out now to one of the groups I let down who would much rather I resigned so they can get someone else in. :h: Good luck to you OP, I sincerely hope you don't act like this when you aren't behind a keyboard because if so then I do worry how you'll cope in the real world when the time comes for you to go out into it. :sadnod:
Original post by Glassapple
Welcome to my world. The things people will do for money indeed.



Not at all; I've done three hours of studying today in total. I have time for things because I use the time available in the day without wasting it.


You're dumb af. No offence, but university student's don't just do three hours of studying a day and call it a day. They spend way more than that. Good luck for the future sweetie.
I need at least 8 hours of sleep. Getting up at 6 is a bit unrealistic. After work If I get ready so I am in bed at 22 leaves not a lot of time.
Original post by sameehaiqbal
You're dumb af. No offence, but university student's don't just do three hours of studying a day and call it a day. They spend way more than that. Good luck for the future sweetie.


I think you should read your post again, look at all the written mistakes you've made and then decide who's dumb. You're not Eddy from Ab Fab, sweetie darling.
Original post by Glassapple
I think you should read your post again, look at all the written mistakes you've made and then decide who's dumb. You're not Eddy from Ab Fab, sweetie darling.


You really are something else, aren't you..?

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