President Trump's travel bans are objectionable, but can we please calm down?

Obama arbitrarily banned Syrian refugees for 6 months and yet no protests.... Oh I forgot... He can't be racist!

Obama arbitrarily banned Syrian refugees for 6 months and yet no protests.... Oh I forgot... He can't be racist!

Calm down? People are getting killed and are going to get killed because of this. I agree that a lot of the reactions have been over the top but you can tell the difference between people like yourself who are looking down on people through rose-tinted spectacles, whilst carrying an air of privilege, and people who aren't deluded. There are a lot of people protesting because they are following the crowd, but there are also so many people whose lives are going to be turned upside down.

Things aren't right. They might sort themselves out but I doubt it. Bad times are coming.

Building up a frenzy is the first step for people to make their representatives know that his actions, although within his powers are appalling. This will force their representatives (both home and abroad) to rethink their support and relationship for him. The effects are already clear: although his senate nominations will go through, all his decision making will be slowed down, obstructed and constitutionally challenged at each step. You can already see the effects, as even Republicans are having to think twice about their decisions.
It will also force world leaders to reconfigure their relationship with him. Theresa May is a prime example. The UK sees him in a completely unfavourable light preventing May's diplomatic options. Any step forward towards a better relationship is met with a loud backlash demanding his condemnation.

Better late than never that the current POTUS learn the meaning of duty and service.

Calm down? People are getting killed and are going to get killed because of this. I agree that a lot of the reactions have been over the top but you can tell the difference between people like yourself who are looking down on people through rose-tinted spectacles, whilst carrying an air of privilege, and people who aren't deluded. There are a lot of people protesting because they are following the crowd, but there are also so many people whose lives are going to be turned upside down.

Things aren't right. They might sort themselves out but I doubt it. Bad times are coming.

The action is flawed and certainly wrong but it's not even close to "appalling". This is what I'm talking about. Trump's ban, as shambolic and doomed to fail as it is, is a temporary travel ban. He isn't the first President to have exercised a travel ban on citizens from foreign countries. The ban is temporary too. The response is totally disproportionate. If you truly think this will temper his support, then you've completely misinterpreted why he won the election. Leftists, liberals and indeed moderates abandoned positions of logic and coherence in favour of collective panic. That confirmed to prospective Trump supporters that he was their man and deepened the support of those who already planned to vote for him. Now as with the UK viewing him in a completely unfavourable light, says who? I agree that a considerable number of Brits don't like him but you have no empirical evidence to make sweeping statements extending that to all Brits. Trump is President. Like it or not, he's not going away anytime soon. In the 2018 mid-term elections the Republicans will at least win the House thanks to gerrymandering. My point is simply that opposition to Trump has to conducted in a fashion which respects the democratic choice of the United States whilst not depleting substance. Mass hysteria does the complete opposite.

you really are blind and believe any crap the left wing bias media tells you, here look at this:

In November, Ohio State University student Abdul Razak Ali Artan, 18, posted the following message on Facebook:
"America! Stop interfering with other countries, especially Muslim Ummah [community]. We are not weak. We are not weak, remember that," the post said.

Artran then plowed a car into a crowd of people at Ohio State before getting out of the car and attacking students with a butcher knife. A police officer was able to quickly get to the scene and kill Artran before he did more damage, but the attack resulted in 11 people going to the hospital.

Law enforcement officials said that Artan was a Somali refugee, NBC reported in November.

Law enforcement officials told NBC News that Artan was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan, and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident.
He lived briefly in a temporary shelter in Dallas before settling in Ohio, according to records maintained by Catholic Charities.

and arguably this ban doesn't come close to fulfilling his pledge to "shut down Muslims entering the United States". These are just 7 Muslim majority countries, a combined population of 211 million out of 1.6+ billion Muslims.

So therefore we cannot say Trump's motivation was prejudiced or xenophobic, as flawed as it is from a national security standpoint, it was an act by a President genuinely concerned about overseas terrorists infiltrating the US.

Third, Trump hasn't violated anybody's human rights or bullied smaller nations, he's simply exercised the power of a nation state to restrict travel against citizens of other countries. Call it democracy in action, he won and now he's implementing his agenda.

We've rolled out the red carpet for far worse autocrats like Xi Jinping and royal families in the Gulf and there was no collective leftist outrage then. Be consistent.

Ahh yes it is appalling.

To this day not one middle-eastern refugee in America taken in by Refugee Act 1980 has killed a single American. That's a 37-year track record. That includes Iraqis, Syrians, Iranians, Afghanis etc. What does that imply?
- It implies that the vetting process is already excellent and it lasts from anywhere between 16-22 months.
- It means you are getting high-quality refugees.
- It means, you are in no way under threat of having a security crisis like Europe.

Despite this fact, he has decided to prevent entry of these people and save lives. Which at some level, America not just has a moral responsibility for, but culpability for as well. 3 months is a blink of an eye for you, but when Syria alone sees at an average of 2 Bataclan massacres a day, 3 months has major ramifications.

And I haven't even touched the green card/ citizens/ students initially prevented entry. Who have been vetted ad-infinitum to earn those privileges.

I wish I lacked your context and shrugged this off as just another travel ban, just another exercise of power.

Edit: And don't come up with some silly retort that Obama did the same and that makes this a-okay. It wasn't then when it was only aimed at Iraq, it's definitely not now when it's scope and discrimination has been expanded.
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As far as his support goes, it does not need to be tempered at all. He lost the popular vote. All that is needed for the next election is to get sufficient people to take notice what kind of a person has been elected due to lack of voter turn-out and hopefully get enough people riled up. It's working. I see the biggest protest in American history an example of that.

The opposition to Trump has to be at every level. You do not need a majority in the senate to slow down passage of bills. There's a reason why, despite having majority in both houses, Trump's nominations have been slowed down. These are exactly the strategies Republicans used when they were in minority and when they were majority.

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Alright. Not all citizens of UK see him unfavorably. But I would say majority do. The London marches , the large petitions against state visits are proof.. but if that's not enough, I am willing to a make friendly wager that the protest crowd that turns up on his state visit will be one of THE biggest UK has ever seen.