Please help, Muslims will probably only understand

Original post by Plantagenet Crown

What is it with some Muslims wanting others to be miserable and unhappy for the rest of their lives for the sake of an unconfirmed ideology?

Hah wouldn't you like to know. In fact we Muslims wish happiness for others some to the extent that they remember them in their prayers to the Lord of the world's. What could be more superior to that? Unconfirmed ideology is this only because there is no 'evidence' when clearly there is. Please leave which does not concern you.

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Original post by QE2

What is it that makes sex between two people "filthy", when exactly the same people having the same sex, in the same place, with the same feelings for each other, but after a short ceremony, is not?

Furthermore, as only Islamic marriage is recognised by Allah, are all other married couples filthy adulterers?

At least if a couple are married then they are devoted to each other. You say it's not filthy but would you rather date a modest girl who is a virgin or perhaps she only had 1 boyfriend before, or a rotten little skank who has opened her legs to every man down the pub...

Yeah, I didn't think so.

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Anonymous #8

Original post by MiszShortee786

Hah wouldn't you like to know.

Well yes, I would like to know why you lot are so intent on encouraging others to suffer throughout their whole lives, even when adhering to dogma is clearly making them deeply unhappy. It's quite concerning that your "wouldn't you like to know" comment implies it's some sort of secret?!

In fact we Muslims wish happiness for others some to the extent that they remember them in their prayers to the Lord of the world's. What could be more superior to that? Unconfirmed ideology is this only because there is no 'evidence' when clearly there is. Please leave which does not concern you.

No, there is no evidence for Islam. Erm, it's clear that leaving her boyfriend isn't making the OP happy as she has clearly said in this thread.

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QE2

Original post by AishaGirl

At least if a couple are married then they are devoted to each other.

So sex is not "filthy" if it is between people who are devoted to each other but unmarried. And it is "filthy" if it is between married people who are not devoted to each other.

You say it's not filthy but would you rather date a modest girl who is a virgin or perhaps she only had 1 boyfriend before, or a rotten little skank who has opened her legs to every man down the pub...

But that is not the situation in real life. Most girls are "modest" and very few sleep around to the extent that you claim. And even if they do, as long as they are responsible, whose business is it but hers?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Depends. If I was looking to settle down in a lon-term relationship, possibly not.
If I just fancied a proper naughty weekend uf unbridled pornsex, then possibly.

And what is this obsession with virgins that Muslims seem to have?
If you were having a massage, or getting a haircut, or going out for a meal, would you use by somebody who's never done it before, or would you prefer someone with a bit of practical experience? Yes, you might get your haircut or massage or meal, but you'd probably be disappointed with it.

And I'd still like to know if all non-Muslim married couples are still filthy adulterers?

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Original post by QE2

So sex is not "filthy" if it is between people who are devoted to each other but unmarried. And it is "filthy" if it is between married people who are not devoted to each other.

What makes sex between non couples filthy is the sharing of the body, passing it around like a piece of meat. If you are committed to 1 person then at the very least you are giving yourself to just one person and I assume you love that person...

And what is this obsession with virgins that Muslims seem to have?
If you were having a massage, or getting a haircut, or going out for a meal, would you use by somebody who's never done it before, or would you prefer someone with a bit of practical experience? Yes, you might get your haircut or massage or meal, but you'd probably be disappointed with it.

Purity.

And I'd still like to know if all non-Muslim married couples are still filthy adulterers?

I would not consider non Muslims act of love filthy if they were married, no.

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Anonymous #8

Original post by AishaGirl

Because it's filthy, have some decency and self respect. Just my opinion seeing as you asked for it.

How exactly is it filthy and why does it mean someone has no self respect?

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Original post by Anonymous

How exactly is it filthy and why does it mean someone has no self respect?

Read my posts, I'm not going to repeat myself.

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username2944572

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Original post by AishaGirl

At least if a couple are married then they are devoted to each other. You say it's not filthy but would you rather date a modest girl who is a virgin or perhaps she only had 1 boyfriend before, or a rotten little skank who has opened her legs to every man down the pub...

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Would you marry a muslim guy who wasn't a virgin if you loved him?

P.s I am muslim too. If a girl has sex before marriage how are you calling a "skank"? Yes you and myself disagree with pre marital sex but I'm sure when you're married off you too will "open your legs" for your husband and you wont be a virgin.

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Plantagenet Crown

Original post by AishaGirl

At least if a couple are married then they are devoted to each other.

Given that around 50% of global marriages end in divorce and plenty of others that do remain married suffer in silence, it is a blatantly untrue and silly to claim that married couples are devoted to each other. A short ceremony doesn't magically change people's personalities and how people can change over the years of a marriage. And what's stopping unmarried couples from being devoted to each other?

You say it's not filthy but would you rather date a modest girl who is a virgin or perhaps she only had 1 boyfriend before, or a rotten little skank who has opened her legs to every man down the pub...

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I have no problem dating a girl who has had sex before. Nowadays, in the West at least, most women don't wait until marriage to have sex so most guys have no problem getting into a relationship with a girl who isn't a virgin. Your views that sex somehow, by mechanisms unknown, makes someone dirty and filthy is really quite primitive...

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Original post by years101

Would you marry a muslim guy who wasn't a virgin if you loved him?

P.s I am muslim too. If a girl has sex before marriage how are you calling a "skank"? Yes you and myself disagree with pre marital sex but I'm sure when you're married off you too will "open your legs" for your husband and you wont be a virgin.

Well obviously there is a difference. Would I marry a muslim man who has been with someone before? Absolutely. Would I marry a muslim man who has been around the block a dozen times? Hell no.

Also age is important. If he is 18 and he has already had 2 failed marriages then no I probably would not. If we were both in our 30's and he had 2 failed marriages then yes I would probably give him a chance.

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Zamestaneh

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Original post by Plantagenet Crown

So you're willing to give up your perfect man just because he doesn't believe the same fairytales you do? Is that seriously the reason you're going to give up on him, even though you're not close to your family?

A prime example of how toxic religion can be.

Enjoy these worldly pleasures because that's as good as it's going to get for you, as you would agree, but lament the day you will be held accountable for this.

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username2944572

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Original post by AishaGirl

Well obviously there is a difference. Would I marry a muslim man who has been with someone before? Absolutely. Would I marry a muslim man who has been around the block a dozen times? Hell no.

Also age is important. If he is 18 and he has already had 2 failed marriages then no I probably would not. If we were both in our 30's and he had 2 failed marriages then yes I would probably give him a chance.

Why do hijabis look down on muslim non hijabis? does it make them feel better about themselves?
half of the hijabis I know have boyfriends but still look down on non hijabis who pray and are reserved. Ironic hey

But your husband will not be "pure" this is what you described the virginity of a woman as

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Plantagenet Crown

Original post by Zamestaneh

You are like the one who can see but is blind, can hear but is deaf, and whose heart and mind can think but cannot comprehend - with all your senses and faculties you fumble about in the dark blindly calling on others to open their eyes whilst you refuse to open your own.

Enjoy these worldly pleasures because that's as good as it's going to get for you, as you would agree, but lament the day you will be held accountable for this.

Spare me the pointless dogma, I will be held accountable by no one and nothing in the "afterlife".

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Original post by years101

half of the hijabis I know have boyfriends but still look down on non hijabis who pray and are reserved. Ironic hey

Yeah, hypocrites are the worst.

But your husband will not be "pure" this is what you described the virginity of a woman as

Purity as close as you can get of course. A virgin is preferred but a modest person who maybe had 1 marriage before or 2 depending on age, is ok. For me personally anyway.

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Reality Check

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Original post by AishaGirl

Well obviously there is a difference. Would I marry a muslim man who has been with someone before? Absolutely. Would I marry a muslim man who has been around the block a dozen times? Hell no.

Also age is important. If he is 18 and he has already had 2 failed marriages then no I probably would not. If we were both in our 30's and he had 2 failed marriages then yes I would probably give him a chance.

Does it work in reverse with you people - i.e. if it were you who had the two failed marriages behind you rather than him?

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Original post by Reality Check

Does it work in reverse with you people - i.e. if it were you who had the two failed marriages behind you rather than him?

If I had 2 failed marriages I would still like to find someone who would marry me but I would not blame them if they didn't want to.

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username2944572

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Original post by AishaGirl

Yeah, hypocrites are the worst.

Purity as close as you can get of course. A virgin is preferred but a modest person who maybe had 1 marriage before or 2 depending on age, is ok. For me personally anyway.

Cool
Are you going to cook for your husband? In Islam women/wives don't have to do anything lol, but if you do it its seen as good

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Original post by years101

Cool
Are you going to cook for your husband? In Islam women/wives don't have to do anything lol, but if you do it its seen as good

What? I don't understand the question.

Will I cook for my husband? Of course... Wives and husbands have the obligation to make each other happy by providing.

These things completely depend on the marriage though and can be decided in the nikah. Any husband I marry has to accept that I can work if I want to, if he does not accept this then I will not marry him.

If he accepts this but then later changes his mind, he has broken the nikah and this means he does not respect me so I will show him the door.

I might be a muslimah but any man who thinks they're going to disrespect me is going to be in for a shock...

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