Why are a lot of people Islamophobic?

You know what I mean and don't think you're being smart.

In general, America has fairly decent immigration vetting processes, and aside from the obvious 9/11, and Orlando nightclub shootings, there hasn't been a significant amount of Islamic terrorism. Europe, on the other hand (which was the place I was referring to and to which you haven't offered any significant response), has had a vastly different time to America. But I guess that happens when you let in a million unchecked 'refugees'.

Anyway, can you justify that quote from the Qur'an, please? You're a girl yourself, do you find it justified that you're worth less than a male in your own religion?

Were the Charlie Hebdo attackers right to 'defend the prophet', and in so doing curb the right of the French to free speech? Is it right that German school girls were asked to cover up to not offend the 'culture' of refugees? Is it right that homosexuals are often killed in the Middle East, for something that they cannot control?

Please answer, because if you don't denounce each of these I'll just assume that you agree with them. And if you do agree, then you've answered the question of why there is conflict between Islam and the West.

Irish people, who are predominantly white, suffered the same association with terrorism during the Troubles. The killer of Jo Cox is rightly referred to as an assassin - that is what he is. A targeted killing is not the same thing as indiscriminately shooting up a Christmas market.





Some valid points, but why do you believe that the Sun and the Mail are representative of the whole media? I would say the great problem of our time is sectionalism - everybody simply wants to advance their own narrow interests. That's evident from your generalisation about the media - you cite the Sun and the Mail, but neglect to mention the Independent, or the Huffington Post, or the Guardian. All of those would take the wind right out of your argument that there is an organised media conspiracy against your interest group (Muslims).

Regarding false stories, I would just say that quite a number of instances of anti-Muslim crimes have later been found to be fabricated. But did you know of that before I told you? I expect not. The truth is always more complicated than a good guy and a bad guy.

No, that's what jihadists do, and that's not Islam. They warped their religion into something disgusting and unrecognisable. The problem is people can't or won't disassociate between the two, and that's their problem and fault.

And yet they still invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Tell me again how the publics opinion matters in a democratic country?

Islamophobia is a contrived term. There is nothing wrong with being Islamophobic. Islam is a set of ideas, and like any set of ideas it deserved to debated and criticised. The whole concept of Islamophobia makes absolutely zero sense. Why should it be wrong to dislike certain ideas within the Quran or the Hadiths? If someone disagrees with Islam why must they be branded a bigot? Islamophobia in my opinion is a buzzword that is used to silence any criticism of Islam.

However, discriminating against Muslims is wrong. And I would condemn anyone doing so.

Even assuming that there's any certainty about the number of deaths in Iraq post-2003, it's well-established that a majority of all violent deaths were the result of the so-called insurgency and the sectarian bloodbath that followed..

You really can't condemn a lack of understanding in others given how poorly you understand things yourself. 'Democracy', in a western context, is not simply a system of majority rule. Governments in the west are founded on the idea of the rule of law, not the rule of men or the mob

I understand though that these things are too subtle for people with a pathological hatred of the west, and therefore an unthinking need to oppose anything associated with it.

If Europe had the same 2nd amendment that the U.S has you would see mass shooting committed more by non muslims, just as you do in the U.S

In some areas, men are greater than women and in others women are greater than men.

Muslims living in a non Muslim country simply have to obey and respect the laws of that land. Those attackers of the nightclub and charlie hebdo had no right to break the law of the land they live in.

You don't have to try to manipulate me into replying. I will chose to reply or not regardless of what you assume.

And mathematically, more in total doesn't necessary equal a higher percentage of that group committing the crime. If there were 10 non-Muslims and 2 Muslims in a room, and 2 non-Muslims went outside and shot some people, whilst 1 Muslim went outside and did the same, there would be more non-Muslim shootings yet only 20% of the population, as opposed to 50%, committed the act. Obviously these numbers are exaggerated, but you get my point. And evidently terrorist attacks in Europe seem to be coming almost exclusively from Muslims, which is concerning.

And men being greater than women in some areas means they have the right to beat you?

Well, thank you for at least admitting they were wrong to break the law. Although, the way you worded it does imply (at least to me, but I may be reading into too much), that the reason that they were wrong was because it was against the law of the land, and not because the act of repressing free speech and/or killing homosexuals was wrong. Do correct me if I've made a big assumption though...

I'm not trying to manipulate you, but when you clearly disregard parts of my argument that provide evidence from your own scriptures, clerics, and other news reports, it does make one wonder whether you are avoiding them because you have nothing to say against them.

So you wouldn't say the killing of say Lee Rigby wasn't an assassination? The killer of Cox was targeted, but so are most killings no? they target certain areas for certain reasons, we would need to first establish the definition of a terror killing ahaha! Plus the murderer of Cox was motivated by his radical views.

True, they are not the whole media, but the majority of those that we would consider to be Islamophobic would be from working class backgrounds. And this group of people is largely uneducated to the extent that people who we consider to be 'educated' are if you get me therefore they have not been surrounded in environments where there is a lot of diversity. For example schools in london where im from are very culturally diverse and I have been fortunate enough to be exposed to a variety of cultures and backgrounds. For many of the working class they stay in the same community all their lives and hence get no real interaction with other people, therefore their views of other people are shaped by the media? And when the media makes stories like these it is unfortunately the working class who fall victim. Why do you think parties like BNP and UKIP are predominantly white working class?

In regards to papers like the guardian I may be naive in saying this but they largely target educated readers who are better at formulating their own more balanced opinions about say something like terror attacks. And my theory on there being a conspiracy would only extend to the working class for reasons just mentioned.

Fair point many stories can be fabricated and therefore you are partially true in that respect

You're missing the point though. If 5% of the U.S population is Muslim and 99% of mass shootings are carried out by non muslims, then what sense is there to be fearful of the muslims? It's pure probability, you are more likely to be killed by a non muslim, end of story.

Keep telling yourself that.

They only listen to the people when it suits them, your true opinion on anything is meaningless.

I don't hate the west. I live in the UK for goodness sake. I hate the governments policies on certain issues, the exact same way you do.

Because of the media.

But people's concern with Islam isn't just terrorist attacks. I have Muslim students on my course in college, I don't have an ounce of fear that one will commit violence towards me.

But don't insult my intelligence by saying the concerns of people like me are irrational.

I think the issue is that the media and our politicians stir up uneccessary fear in people in regards to Islam. No one really wants to find out what Islam is really about-we're kinda just spoon fed with whatever the media gives us-we're passive in accepting all of these narratives that are given to us.
In reality Islam and Christianity are very similar but it's easier to scapegoat Muslim's because they don't look like the majority of the Western World. Christianity is the religion of the white man and God forbid we ever criticize the white man (!)

No, but Muslims as a whole need to recognise why many Westerners feel hostile towards Islam. Mainly, that all recent terror attacks in Europe have been perpetrated by Muslims, in the name of Islam, with theocratic justification from some parts of the Qur'an. No one is saying that "all Muslims" are terrorists, obviously that's incorrect. But it is also undeniable that violence seems to be far more prevalent amongst Muslims too.

Additionally, whenever Islam is (rightly) criticised for issues such as women's rights, gay rights, and general hostility towards outside groups, Muslims instantly take the defensive position and claim they're "not real Muslims", when such views evidently are held by large swathes of the Middle Eastern population, and even a substantial number of people here in Britain. Meanwhile, girls in Germany are being advised to cover up so as not to 'offend' refugees, French publishers dare not make a satirical comic book about religious figures, and people are wondering why people associate Islam with violence and other bad things?

I also find it deeply unsettling that Muslims believe that all non-Muslims are going to burn in hell for eternity, and apparently are fine with this and think it is deserved, simply for not being a Muslim due to being born into a different part of the world. Although, this does of course apply to other religions, but is no less unsettling.

But to address the OP, 'Islamophobia' has essentially taken on the new meaning that anyone who even vaguely questions the tenets of Islam is apparently a monstrous bigot.

So why are you fearful from muslims in general if 100% of the muslims you know are nice people? You are fearing that which is incredibly unlikely. the opposite would be like feeling confident about winning the lottery.



I believe your concerns about being killed by an islamic terrorist attack are irrational.

You live in fear, you are scared, you are weak, this is not my problem. If a terrorist flies a plane into a building, will you cancel your flight the next day?

If a truck plows down people in a market, will you not go shopping the next day? I bet 99% of the time when you are out and about in public you never look over your shoulder and think "I wonder if today is the die I get killed by a terrorist" so don't sit there and try to tell me that your fears a rational, they are as irrational a fear as it gets.

Like people fearing walking under a bridge because they think it might collapse on them.