Everyone will be Vegan in the future

They get to eat meat but we don't?

Your message is important, you are 'right' to be vegan but really it makes zero difference unless everyone is vegan. Which is never going to happen, people like the taste of meat way too much! Therefore the best solution is to have sustainable farming where the animals are treated corrected and euthanized ethically, we are designed biologically to eat meat and plants not either or. We are mammals, mammals are hunter gathers, meaning we hunter and kill prey as well as gather fruit and vegetables. There is nothing ethically wrong about eating meat however the way we get our meat in our current society is disgraceful but being pretentious about your diet wont change anything apart from perhaps converting some less educated( in terms of nutrition) into vegans causing malnutrition.

Wildlife would be unsustainable without predators. You'd have the situation we have in the UK where deer need to be killed because they have no natural predator and keep eating all the trees before they can grow.

The reason I'm in it (recently though tbh, but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to keep it going) is because I want humans to advance beyond their primitive ways and to protect nature.

The term omnivorous doesn’t mean must eat some animal products. It means capable of subsisting on both plant and animal matter. Of the two, we are able to thrive without eating animals; however, if we eat no plants, we could quickly become malnourished. In fact, decades of scientific evidence have demonstrated that humans have no biological need to consume flesh, eggs or dairy products. We can get all the nutrients we need on a plant-based diet, without the unhealthy animal protein and cholesterol, and without inflicting needless suffering and death on billions of animals.

where do you get your b12

You are not wrong we need plants more than meat but we would need to eat a lot more plants as they often have quite a low density of calories. But the truth is the human digestive system has evolved and is best suited for a mix of meat and plants. Can i have a link to your sources about no need to have flesh, eggs or diary products? where do you get your b12 (essential for humans nervous system) from or your creatine etc etc? So yes we do need to consume non-processed meat unless you take supplements.

it will be looked on as a weird uncivilised thing that humans used to do; eating animals and animal products. There will be "wild land" and there will be "civilised land". Hopefully we'll be able to give a continent or two to the wildlife. Would be healthy to have some Non-human Zones.

I can easily get over 4000 calories a day now eating calorie dense wholefoods like beans, rice, oats, bananas, avocados and tasty treats like chocolate, biscuits, burgers, pizzas etc

Meat takes much longer to digest than plants, so I would be interested for you to show me research showing how our digestive system is best suited to both.

There are many studies showing how we can thrive off a plant-based diet. Im on my phone right now but I found this quick website https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/. Also, the British Dietetic Association recently stated that, ‘Well-planned plant-based, vegan-friendly diets can be devised to support healthy living at every age and life-stage.’

I'd highly recommend watching Dr Michael Greger and Dr Neal Barnard on Youtube for more info.

To be fair, people probably will be, meat will eventually become unsustainable.

Thats pretty interesting it seems the diet is more sustainable then i though but the case studied just showed cutting out processed junk food reduced glucose levels and cholesterol levels, not necessarily the meat to blame entirely.

(Dr neal seems to be a pretty cool guy, i'll check out some more of his videos sometime)

Although one think that concerns me is often soy will be used a substitute in a lot of foods and i think that it has a chemical that mimics oestrogen? So it would upset the balances of hormones, how would a vegan combat this?

and if our bodies were not adapted to eat meat we wouldn't have canines an we wouldn't be able to process the meat at all, meat is a great source of protein, vitamin A, iron etc.

Too much meat is bad and too little isn't good either unless you know what you're doing and can eat the right portions of vitamin tablets etc...

****ing hell, what a terrible vision of the future. I don't think I could live on a planet where everyone opens a conversation by telling me they are a vegan.

Those who say this isn't going to happen are frankly quite narrow-minded. Food production technology will advance vastly in the future. Hell, we might all be sustaining ourselves with photosynthesis augmentations in a thousand years time

Rather than assume we evolved canines in order to eat meat, we could consider the possibility that we evolved from a common ancestor that had large canines, but that our relative lack of need for them means that they have shrunk considerably over time.

As for supplements, I take a flax seed oil capsule in place of cod liver oil and a multivitamin that contains b12.

There are many great sources of plant based proteins, and easily accessible information on how to combine them to get the right compliment of amino acids. It's not as difficult as you would think

I've read a lot about soy and from what I can tell there isn't significant evidence either way. One thing to consider however is that cows milk contains mammalian hormones, and that is never questioned.


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Thats pretty interesting it seems the diet is more sustainable then i though but the case studied just showed cutting out processed junk food reduced glucose levels and cholesterol levels, not necessarily the meat to blame entirely.

(Dr neal seems to be a pretty cool guy, i'll check out some more of his videos sometime)

Although one think that concerns me is often soy will be used a substitute in a lot of foods and i think that it has a chemical that mimics oestrogen? So it would upset the balances of hormones, how would a vegan combat this?

and if our bodies were not adapted to eat meat we wouldn't have canines an we wouldn't be able to process the meat at all, meat is a great source of protein, vitamin A, iron etc.

Too much meat is bad and too little isn't good either unless you know what you're doing and can eat the right portions of vitamin tablets etc...

When humans started to use sharp stones as cutting tools it eliminated the pressure to have sharp canine teeth and strong jaws which are typical adaptation of carnivores and when humans began cooking there food around 200,000 years ago it made meat easier to cut and chew thus reduce the size of teeth over time, so the lack of need of large canine teeth wasn't due to lacking the need of meat just our ingenuity.

Thats cool, i would have imagined it was a lot more tedious to get the right dietary requirements and yeah drinking milk is weird, it probably contains hormones that we don't need but im not aware of any that have an adverse affect apart from maybe causing or increasing the risk of acne. Although 60% of people ish can digest milk or do so in a reduced way. A glass of milk has half the daily allowance of b12 and has vitamen d i believe as well as being a source for lactose ( which benefits some of us).

(just did some quick research on milk)
I couldnt find any coherent results, some research suggested the hormones caused a decrease in testosterone and an increase in oestrogen but other studies showed the opposite effect, so this remains unclear. The main conclusion was milk shouldn't be consumed in excess and it is fine as long as it can be digested appropriately in small amounts i.e a bowl of cereal but it depends on the person what is the correct portion, "One person’s food can indeed be another persons poison." So i imagine the same can be applied to soy, its alright as long as it isnt used in excess and as a substitute.