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Iranian baby scheduled for US heart surgery "banned"

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Original post by 999tigger
You are one tough dude. Are you American?
Did you bother to read the article?


U.K. British
Also according to the article they are fundraising I.e cannot yet pay for it.
Original post by niteninja1
I don't have children but if it did I would be concerned about there future and would want them to grow up with an N.H.S


If you'd be concerned about your own child so why you're so against a tiny baby that deserves a go for a better life? If family wants to have surgery in USA, it's for a reason. If they wanted to have it in Canada, they'd go there..

That girl deserves to live and to see beautiful world around her, no stupid old man's ban should stop her from doing so!
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Original post by AlexanderHam
By itself, no. But as another data point (along with the Yezidi women banned, the Iraqi army translators who helped the US fight Al-Qaeda, the Green Card holders who are already permanent residents and were simply overseas when the ban came into effect), it stands as yet another brick in the 'Wall of Discredit'. This policy was a complete mess, it had no basis in logic or policy, its only motive was political; countries like Saudi Arabia, from which 15 of 19 of the hijackers on 9/11 came from, are excluded while countries whose citizen had killed zero Americans on American soil in the last 40 years were included.

This was a Bannon initiative; he thought he was being extremely clever, that he was "disorienting" the "opposition", but in fact it's just made the administration look incompetent and cruel. In fact, in the Executive Order they accidentally wrote the wrong statute they were citing as the basis for their powers! These were basic errors that would have been avoided even if it were drafted in the cheapest high street law office, that such an error occurred


The countries were ones already considered high risk by previous administrations. The Saudis should be on there too, but it is what it is. As for Bannon, I can't help but feel you're attributing 4D chess skills where they don't exist. Steve Bannon undeniably has an agenda, and he's definitely powerful in the Trump administration. But he doesn't have a master plan to confound the opposition. As Ben Shapiro wrote.
Original post by ForgetMe
If you'd be concerned about your own child so why you're so against a tiny baby that deserves a go for a better life? If family wants to have surgery in USA, it's for a reason. If they wanted to have it in Canada, they'd go there..

That girl deserves to live and to see beautiful world around her, no stupid old man's ban should stop her from doing so!


Because it isn't my child.
Original post by niteninja1
Also according to the article they are fundraising I.e cannot yet pay for it.


So what? So, just because someone couldn't afford for life-saving surgery, you'd instead let them die? :erm: USA allows guns for stupid people yet bans a baby for accessing a chance to live, that says it all... I've always dreamed about living in the United States but now not so sure about if I'd ever place my foot there, especially when such ridiculous bans are being imposed.
Original post by niteninja1
No I think the democratically elected leader has issued a ban and that stands.
As for the other countries argument if they can pay they aren't abusing the system but as no one has provided a source we don't know that they can pay.


So you think the ban has to be absolutely enforced? (Not to mention Iran poses no risk.) You would let this child die, or risk her getting surgical treatment that carries a higher risk? I hope that any other country with a similarly high standard of healthcare can fit her in, I really do - because she needs treatment. But you are supporting the decision to block a baby's entry, where her life is on the line. That is vile.

I don't even care about 'abusing a system', as you put it. It's not abuse when her life is dependant on it. You seem to have lost the sense of common humanity, how sad.
Original post by niteninja1
Because it isn't my child.


Then you'd not be a good parent if you're just after yourself. A good parent is someone who's an example for their own child but also finds a place in their heart and compassion for other children in need. What kind of example you will show to your child if you are saying such things?
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Original post by ForgetMe
Then you'd not be a good parent if you're just after yourself. A good parent is someone who's an example for their own child but also finds a place in their heart and compassion for other children in need. What kind of example you will show to your child if you are saying such things?


A parents job is to put there children first
Original post by niteninja1
Because it isn't my child.


This really speaks volumes about you. If you were ever in the same position how would you feel? Empathy is an important trait. How will you ever love your own child when you seem to be so devoid of compassion?
Original post by niteninja1
A parents job is to put there children first


Well, where did I say that it's not?
Original post by niteninja1
If they can afford to pay they can afford to pay for it elsewhere and no I meant communism as there is not difference between communism and socialism


If the one of the best hospitals for paedeatric surgery in the world was happy to see them, then wouldnt you want your child to have the best chance of surviving? You might be badass, but you dont seem strong on any sort of empathy. Seems like they wnated Oregon becayse they have relatives there as well,
Original post by 999tigger
If the one of the best hospitals for paedeatric surgery in the world was happy to see them, then wouldnt you want your child to have the best chance of surviving? You might be badass, but you dont seem strong on any sort of empathy. Seems like they wnated Oregon becayse they have relatives there as well,


Well tough the president says no and if you make one exception you set a precedent.
Original post by niteninja1
Well tough the president says no and if you make one exception you set a precedent.


What threat is a 4 month old poorly baby? Is it not something of a PR fail when it shows how inflexible they are? The precedent would be one for 4 month olds or is that bad in your eyes?
Original post by 999tigger
What threat is a 4 month old poorly baby? Is it not something of a PR fail when it shows how inflexible they are? The precedent would be one for 4 month olds or is that bad in your eyes?


No the point is if you let them in what stops someone else using health issues to get in
Original post by niteninja1
No the point is if you let them in what stops someone else using health issues to get in


You mean someone who is not actually a terror threat, but ill? or do you think its a ruse and this is just a test for a wave of baby bombers? They could even interrogate her.
It would have seemed sensible to me that obvious non terror threats were let in, just like exceptions were made for other people. You keep America safe.
Original post by niteninja1
And countries such as Canada U.K. Germany have high quality healthcare as well


Yes but they do not employ the American surgeons and American hospital staff who earn their livings by selling their professional skills to health tourists.


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can't believe there's people in this thread trying to justify her getting banned, wtf
Original post by niteninja1
No I think the democratically elected leader has issued a ban and that stands.


No, it doesn't. A federal judge has overturned the ban with an injunction, pending trial of the case to determine whether the Executive Order was constitutional.

Trump is not a dictator, his word is not law, he cannot rule by decree. The United States is a constitutional republic, a nation of laws, founded on the rule of law, not the rule of one man.

The fact someone has been democratically-elected (and in fact, Clinton actually got a majority of the votes) doesn't mean that therefore whatever they say, goes.
Original post by ForgetMe
So what? So, just because someone couldn't afford for life-saving surgery, you'd instead let them die? :erm:


Aren't these people always going on about the sanctity of life? About how the innocent must be protected and their life has inherent, priceless value? It seems that while you are in the womb your life is sacred to these people, but the second you are born you suddenly become worthless to them. Which tells us everything we need to know about their objections to abortion; it has nothing to do with the sanctity of innocent life and everything to do with controlling womens' reproductive choices.

Though in fairness, the Nazi wing of the Trump movement are not opposed to abortion; they have long been in favour of killing "subhumans", the disabled, etc. In their eyes, this little girl is probably a "subhuman" because she's not white, and therefore they would rejoice in her death. Sick people.

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