Is Nicki Minaj a feminist icon?

It was a simple question, and I didn't include the word feminist. You didn't seem to be impressed by her many achievements so I'm curious:

In your view, is Nicki minaj an influential icon?

She's a terrible musical artist.

Being influential is part of being an icon. In my view she isn't an icon but if you want to think she is an icon of female rap that's at least a defendable position.


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Hmmm~
Icon for her admirers and followers most probably.
Feminist to the extent that she belongs to this gender...??
But personally I am not aware of any circumstance where she stood up for or advocated in favour of women or any form of agenda in favour of women.
She is certainly not an icon as far as I am concerned.
So for me she is not a feminist icon but perhaps because I fail to appreciate how twerking advocates in favour of women... ~

You said Kanye is an icon because he's done some good things for rap. Nicki minaj has done good things for rap, so why isn't she an icon?

She's advocated and stood up for women/young girls in her songs and interviews.
Just yesterday, she was on Twitter talking about the wage gap between males and females and that women shouldn't feel afraid to ask for the same wage as their male counterparts

1. I said you can call her an icon of female rap
2. What has she ever done for rap? Certainly nothing that compares to Kanye


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Do feel free to read my earlier points about her anti feminist behaviour.



How funny, she's uneducated as well as inconsistent


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But you're being a hypcorite. You said that somebody is an icon if they've done good things in their field. Nicki has done good things in her field yet she's not an icon to you? Why is that?
So now you think she's done nothing for female rap? Really?
Comparisons don't matter. One could argue that drake is an influential rap icon despite the fact that what he's done probably doesn't compare to what Kanye has done.

Uneducated In what way?

Is Kanye consistent? he's one of the top hypocrites of our time

Yes, you become an icon partly by being at the top of your field. Nicki Minaj is at the top of female rap thus you can say she's a female rap icon. Nicki Minaj is in no way a 'top feminist', she doesn't have a legacy as a feminist thus she isn't a feminist icon.




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Pay gap has been explained away. He doesn't need to be consistent, he's not trying to become a feminist icon. Out of curiosity in what way is Kanye a hypocrite?


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You keep going back to the feminist thing. I can understand why you feel she's not a feminist icon (btw, I never said that she is a 'top' feminist) , which is why I haven't recently mentioned that to you, but she does have a legacy as a female rapper and she fits your criteria of an icon so I don't understand why you feel she's not an influential icon ?

So women should accept being paid less for doing the same job just because we don't have a penis? Speaking about issues doesn't make you uneducated. Nicki minaj isnt trying to be a feminist icon either, she just so happens to say things that fit that category so people have arguably labelled her as such.

Kanyes hypocrisy:
He almost went on stage to snatch the mic from Beck because he felt that Beck shouldn't have won and should have given his Grammy to beyonce. Said that beck needs to 'respect artistry' which was hypocrital because wanting to interrupt the speech of a fellow musicial artist isn't at all respecting the artistry. He later said that he went on to listen to Becks album which was he said was actually pretty good. So he said that Beck shouldn't have won despite having never listened to his music

He refers to himself as Jesus. I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't condone 99% of his lyrics in his raps , or the artwork for his music videos.

Said he feels like a slave to big companies and corporations, but then asks Nike and Adidas to support him.

There's probably more

The whole point of this thread and the debate I've had with you for the past four days has been about whether she's a feminist icon or not. Yes she does which is why I've said calling her an icon of female rap is fair.

Oh so you aren't educated on the pay gap either. Economists have explained why it exists, a number of factors such as hours worked, type of jobs worked etc. the pay gap does not exist where men and women are in the same job role.

I wouldn't say the top two are hypocritical.


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If you scroll up, our debate has been about more than her being a feminist icon. You said that her achievements are not admirable, that she is a 'niche' artist and that she's a bad influence because of what she says in her lyrics. Well I'm telling you that your favourite rapper says some disrespectful and vulgar things in his raps yet you still refer to him as an influential icon. Feminist or not, you don't believe that she is an icon at all. I'm not asking you if it's fair to call her an icon, I am asking why YOU think that she isn't an influential icon.

Just because there's a reason for its existence doesn't mean people cannot express their disagreement.
This is just like the abortion debate I had with you. As it stands, women are the ones to decide, and the reason is because she's the only one physically affected. Despite that, you still voiced your disagreement about it. Does that make you uneducated to disagree with something that is justified?

Kanye himself acknowledged that what he said about Beck is hypocritical.

If you feel that calling yourself the Black Jesus and then going against everything he stands for is not hypocritical then Okay

Regardless, you agree that he has been a hypocrite in at least one instance

1. Where did I say she's a niche artist?

2. I didn't criticise her for sending a negative message in her lyrics, I just said those lyrics prevent her from being a feminist icon. I've said multiple times that those lyrics don't prevent her from being a rap icon. I don't think she's an icon because all she has is success; there's been no influence on other big artists, she's done nothing revolutionary in her music, achieved very little outside of music and I don't see her being a rapper people look back on in twenty years.

It's literally like someone not going to university and then saying it's unfair they can't apply for grad schemes; there's a reason so you don't get to complain.

Completely irrelevant. Interrupting an award speech doesn't make you a hypocrite, if Kanye thinks it does he doesn't understand the definition of the word.

He's not a priest, why is calling himself black Jesus hypocritical?

Hardly makes you 'one of the biggest hypocrites of our generation'.


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You said:I think Kanye is a rap icon. I know you like niches so here's one for you

You said that somebody is an icon if they've been influential in their field. Her field is music so why does it matter what she has done outside of music?

She's done nothing revolutionary in her music? Being revolutionary is about dramatic change. Well, shes only the biggest selling female rapper of all time.

She's only had arguably the best verse on a song that featured both Kanye and Jay Z.

She's only been told that she inspired jay z on a song she did with Beyonce.

She only became the first solo female artist to perform on the Grammys.

She only become the first woman to feature on the Forbes kings cash list.
Yeah, there's Nothing revolutionary about any of that.

I see her as being a rapper to look back on in 20years since she's set the bar extremely high.

So you don't get to complain that women have sole choice in having an abortion because there's reason for it? You don't have a uterus so you don't get to complain, right?

You can't criticise someone for 'not respecting artistry' if you're not respecting the artistry yourself, and if you can't see that it's hypocritical then maybe you should look up the definition.

You can't call yourself Jesus if you go against everything he stands for

Well you're in denial if you think that he's not a major hypocrite.
What about the time he said that his album will never be for sale , will never be available on apple and that it would only be available on tidal but then said that we should end the war with Apple and Tidal and just 'allow the kids to enjoy the music'

Or when he kicked up a fuss about fans illegally downloading his album and then he sends out a tweet of his computer screen without deleting the tab 'pirate bay' which of course is an illegal downloading software for music