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i don't understand why some log equations substitute y into the equations

for example,

log5(x) + 6 logx (5) = 5
log5(x) + 6/log5(x) = 5
let y = log5(x)
so y + 6/y = 5....

or

3^(2x+1) + 5 = 16(3^x)
let y = 3^x
so 3y^2 + 5 = 16y ...

why are we allowed to do that in some cases? how do i know when i should use that technique? i hope my question is clear enough, thanks in advance
Reply 1
Original post by sadboynerd
i don't understand why some log equations substitute y into the equations

for example,

log5(x) + 6 logx (5) = 5
log5(x) + 6/log5(x) = 5
let y = log5(x)
so y + 6/y = 5....

or

3^(2x+1) + 5 = 16(3^x)
let y = 3^x
so 3y^2 + 5 = 16y ...

why are we allowed to do that in some cases? how do i know when i should use that technique? i hope my question is clear enough, thanks in advance

It's just a technique you can use to help you solve these kinds of equations. You can use it any time you like if it's useful.

E.g. if you had 3x+5x=33^x + 5^x = 3 then using y=3xy=3^x won't be much help because you'll be left with

y+5x=3y + 5^x = 3


But if you have something like 32x+1+5=16(3x)3^{2x+1} + 5 = 16(3^x) then this can be written as

3×(3x)2+5=16(3x)3\times (3^x)^2 + 5 = 16(3^x)

Then if you use y=3xy=3^x you get

3y2+5=16y3y^2 + 5 = 16y

This is a quadratic which you should find easier to deal with than the equation above it. You just have to remember to substitute back in 3x3^x at the end.

Does this make sense?
Reply 2
Original post by notnek
It's just a technique you can use to help you solve these kinds of equations. You can use it any time you like if it's useful.

E.g. if you had 3x+5x=33^x + 5^x = 3 then using y=3xy=3^x won't be much help because you'll be left with

y+5x=3y + 5^x = 3


But if you have something like 32x+1+5=16(3x)3^{2x+1} + 5 = 16(3^x) then this can be written as

3×(3x)2+5=16(3x)3\times (3^x)^2 + 5 = 16(3^x)

Then if you use y=3xy=3^x you get

3y2+5=16y3y^2 + 5 = 16y

This is a quadratic which you should find easier to deal with than the equation above it. You just have to remember to substitute back in 3x3^x at the end.

Does this make sense?


it does make sense but what would be an alternative way to solving it without turning it into a quadratic?
Reply 3
Original post by sadboynerd
it does make sense but what would be an alternative way to solving it without turning it into a quadratic?

3×(3x)2+5=16(3x)3\times (3^x)^2 + 5 = 16(3^x)

This equation is a quadratic since you have something of the form

3(...)216(...)+5=03(...)^2 - 16(...) + 5 = 0

So the only way to solve it is by using quadratic equations methods.

But you don't have to use a substitution if you don't want to. You could just see that it is a quadratic and attempt to factorise:

3×(3x)216(3x)+5=(3(3x)1)(3x5)3\times (3^x)^2 -16(3^x)+5 = (3(3^x)-1)(3^x - 5)

What I've done here is factorise just like if there was a single variable instead of 3x3^x e.g.

3y216y+5=(3y1)(y5)3y^2-16y+5 = (3y-1)(y-5)

So you can set each bracket to 0 and solve. But most people find substitution makes this process easier.
(edited 7 years ago)
Reply 4
thank you lots for taking the time to explain!!!

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