Drake tells hijabi muslim fans to take their scarf off at a concert!

I'm Surprised They Went Dressed.
I'm Guessing Drake Was too...

Yep, that's what it says in the Quran. To be precise, it says "fitnah is worse than killing" (2:217). In this context, "fitnah" is considered to be the enabling of disbelief.

I don't come from a Muslim background, so all of this is alien to me. I totally understand Judeo-Christian culture, per contra, because you absorb it by osmosis, even if you are neither Jewish not Christian in a formal sense. It is second nature, whether you are religious or secular.. Even Dawkins says he is "culturally a Christian."

But trying to grasp Islam is like visiting a foreign county when you don't speak the language and no-one speaks yours.

It seems to me important to try, though, you can't understand the modern world without understanding Islam and Islamic history.

So this thread has been educational to me. I genuinely didn't realise this, thank you for explaining it to me (actually Aisha was the first).

When you realise that Mohammed promulgated such an extraordinary doctrine, and has been believed with sincere religious fervour, so much of what has happened through history, and is happening recently starts to make sense.

We (not you obviously) western secularists really don't understand Muslims. We think they are just like us, with a religious coating. But they are not, it is a totally antithetical belief system.

It makes me despair, actually. I can't see a way forward, in the short term at least. I don't see how you can be a good Muslim AND integrate in the post Christian. secular west.

What is the point of 'adapting to the 21st century' if you lose sight of what is important?

They could 'adapt to the 22nd century' and stop believing in a god altogether - but that would hardly be islam.

Could you explain why attending a concert is wrong?

A person shouldn't say anything like that to anyone. They are allowed to wear what they want. Drake wouldn't say that on the street because he would get smacked. But at a safe concert stage with security, Hell yeah!

It really saddens me to think that most non Muslims think that the hijab is a sign of oppression where it is actually a symbol of your love for Allah :/

He has a right to tell somebody else to take their HIJAB of?

Or exposing herself to a dozen sources of fitnah simultaneously.

if your concern is genuinely this great, why would you leave the house at all?

This thread is disappointing and so was that earlier video that was pointed. If the girls were Muslims then why shouldn't they be there? Concerts are a big part of western life. The people in the comments of the youtube video posted earlier saying "concerts are the work of the devil" and someone saying that people who go to concerts are monkeys (wtf) honestly grinds my gears. Islam needs to adapt for the 21st century like Christianity, this inflexibility really damages cohesion in a time where it is very much needed.

It all depends on how you define "good Muslim". To me, it is exemplified by the likes of Maajid Nawaz (who is also the handsomest man in the world, and coined the term "regressive left", *swoon* - if I wasn't straight...). Unfortunately, to others it involves rejecting any attempts at modernisation, revisionism and integration. I have seen the idea "Islam shouldn't change to fit society, society must change to fit Islam" expressed many times on TSR ISOC (hardly the most radical of Islamist forums!)
And it seems that the greater the need for an Islamic Enlightenment, the more some resist it.

I understand what your saying but I dont believe Islam needs to adapt.

I get what your saying. To me, a "good muslim" is someone who follows the path of the Prophet (saw) to the best of his abilities. In that case, I would say Maajid Nawaz isnt the best of Muslims because of some of his views which actually goes against the way of Islam.

I strongly support the works of Mehdi Hassan because of his loyalty to the way of Islam..

All of my anti-religion quotes have been put under review with some being declined. It seems TSR is run by tossers who don't believe in freedom of speech.

Following the path of religion, leads to ignorance; it is one of the reasons science has been held back for many years. If religion didn't exist, many genetic diseases probably would have been cured 40-50 years ago. If religion didn't exist, there wouldn't be people running around with bomb vests, the crusades wouldn't of happened, and ireland as well as many other countries wouldn't have split. **** religion **** god; follow science, reason and logic. Be an Athiest.

All of my anti-religion quotes have been put under review with some being declined. It seems TSR is run by tossers who don't believe in freedom of speech..

Yes.

Nah mate you can't tell someone what they can or can't do? It's there life they can do what they want. No one has the right to do that. Pathetic person

Well, isn't that kinda the point? Islam cannot remain stuck in 7th century Arabia. If it wants to continue to coexist in the future we all face together it must adapt and modernise.

Ah yes, the man who genuinely believes that Muhammad literally flew to heaven on a winged donkey with telescopic legs! And he pretends to be a serious and objective journalist!
He is also no stranger to disingenuity and misrepresentation. And his debate style that ranges from the condescending to the sneering. Not a good poster boy for moderate Islam.