***** UKIP are expected to WIN the Stoke-Central By-election!! ******

tbh there is not much point to ukip now. it is like the suffragette parties after women were given the vote.

Hmm

I do and don't agree.

It was always about what you did with the movement.

There was too much infighting, changing leader and a lack of getting the working class message across for them to become a power after the referendum.

It's probably too late for them to do that now as well


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Turnout was low.

I wonder if they can even hold onto Clacton next time round? We will just end up seeing a huge tory dominance tbh...

Unfortunately, damaging comments and the weather didn't get the 'kippers to come out in force. Turnout was low. The gap closed between UKIP and LAB much more tightly than last time round tho.

I still think the message that UKIP portray resonates across the UK. They are too good at being 2nd and perhaps don't seem too big of a threat to LAB after all... But UKIP still made their fingertips water - which is what we need.

Pretty happy with the result- very damaging for Labour and the kippers with good performances for the Tories and Libs.

Maybe ukip can start shutting up about being the voice of the people and Corbyn will have to start taking responsibility sooner or later instead of blaming the establishment

Labour is technically two different parties. The middle class types who read the guardian and celebrate multiculturalism. The university town seats and those in inner city london.

The second half being the working class and left behind seats as a result of deindustrailisation. The two seats fought yesterday definitely fall into the latter.

All this stuff about the working class message - that might be what some kippers tell themselves, but please be assured, it was never, not even for one single second, the goal of Farage .

That's generally been good for UKIP's prospects in the past. If anything, that explains why they were closer to winning than last time.

Probably not. The day after the last GE whilst everyone was busy crying about FPTP and how it had screwed the 'kippers over, the fact that Douglas Carswell's by-election majority had been reduced by almost three-quarters slipped through the coverage almost unnoticed. Low turnouts are a boon for parties like UKIP, so it's hardly an excuse they can use to justify bad performance.

Are you happy that LAB actually managed to hold one of their seats, or the fact that CON are gaining?

Or that UKIP are less likely to win a seat in the future?

At this current moment in time I don't really support a political party, but I would most likely vote CON in future elections as opposition to SNP (since LAB supposedly aren't 'the thing' in Scot anymore). I wonder if LAB will even get 1 seat in Scotland next time round? I think CON will make a few gains in Scotland - taking the whole of the scottish borders belt, aberdeenshire and maybe a few other potential places like ayr or Edinburgh central (based on 2016 results).

^ But of course boundary changes apply to next GE, so things could be different... Especially for stoke central which will not exist in 2020 under the proposed changes.

I have voted UKIP once in the Scottish elections last year tho in the hope of electing David Coburn, but it was a wasted vote - Should have been double CON tbh...

That is quite an interesting (but very accurate) description of the LAB party. Places like London with well established multi-culture usually always vote LAB, along with midlands, wales, the NE England and formally Scotland.

I personally don't vote labour because I live in quite a remote area near both Aberdeen and Dundee which is both very SNP, but the CON aren't a million miles away of being a threat. LAB always come 3rd in my area - they don't do well in the outer-suburbs usually.

And plus I don't particularly like some of their polices, and their leader.....

It's a real shame with UKIP tho. It seems the EU ref doesn't have as big of an impact like the Scottish one up here.

Well, if anything the Scottish referendum showed that the losers can be the big electoral winners if there is a shift in attitudes. They feel mightily pissed off and are prepared to cast aside other beliefs and vote for whoever represents the single issue they care about.

There's been some of that, with the increase in the Lib Dem vote in a few areas - but yes, it's nowhere near as substantial.

I can't believe that Scotland of all places, now looks quite progressive and sensible. For as long as you ignore the previous 30yrs of history.

Well, if anything the Scottish referendum showed that the losers can be the big electoral winners if there is a shift in attitudes. They feel mightily pissed off and are prepared to cast aside other beliefs and vote for whoever represents the single issue they care about.

There's been some of that, with the increase in the Lib Dem vote in a few areas - but yes, it's nowhere near as substantial.

Farage used whatever support he could get, working class, middle class, upper class, to achieve his political goal, Brexit.

As it happened, a lot of working class people supported it.

You give the impression, above, that you are something of an expert on the subject of the poor and oppressed classes. Tell me, as a Prep School, Oxford University girl, what exactly do YOU know about the working class?

Have you ever met one who wasn't your scout at Oriel?

And it is that group which will be shafted the most as a result.

So the Remainers say. Like they said the economy would collapse.

Unlike you I can't see into the future myself, (where do you get the crystal ball?) and will wait and see.

We still haven't left yet. Wait until we do. You can ignore the evidence if you like, but it's mounting - big employers planning to leave, the City going to substantially contract, government and independent economists are predicting plunging tax revenues after Brexit, leading to a further downward spiral of austerity and reduced demand.

The people who are going to suffer most are the poorer voters in the North and Midlands who pushed Brexit across the winning line.

We still haven't left yet. Wait until we do. You can ignore the evidence if you like, but it's mounting - big employers planning to leave, the City going to substantially contract, government and independent economists are predicting plunging tax revenues after Brexit, leading to a further downward spiral of austerity and reduced demand.

The people who are going to suffer most are the poorer voters in the North and Midlands who pushed Brexit across the winning line.