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Has there been a rise in 'champagne socialists'?

In this election the disparity between the poor and rich voting wasn't clear. Those with lower income actually voted conservative.
Do you think there is a rise in champagne socialists particularly among young people? There were many singers etc advocating labour, and perhaps that contributes to it.


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Original post by hpcp
In this election the disparity between the poor and rich voting wasn't clear. Those with lower income actually voted conservative.
Do you think there is a rise in champagne socialists particularly among young people? There were many singers etc advocating labour, and perhaps that contributes to it.


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You just can't win with some people.

If you're poor and left wing you get called envious. If you're rich and a socialist you get called a hypocrite.
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You just can't win with some people.

If you're poor and left wing you get called envious. If you're rich and a socialist you get called a hypocrite.


But why do you think those from a lower income haven't voted labour in this election as much?
I don't think it is hypocritical, I was just wondering why this election in particular there seems to be an increase in that movement.
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But why do you think those from a lower income haven't voted labour in this election as much?
I don't think it is hypocritical, I was just wondering why this election in particular there seems to be an increase in that movement.


They did.
the labour "opposition" are pantomime socialists. the real danger is the thugs who manipulate them and who will stop at nothing to destroy our wonderful country and turn it into Albania
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From my very personal experience, there has. But I'm not sure it's related to the elections.

The poor are generally anti-European, anti-migration and pro hard brexit, that's why they voted conservative. On the other hand, many rich people would be harmed by a hard Brexit and feel European (by professional, financial, personal interests), so they voted Labour.
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From my very personal experience, there has. But I'm not sure it's related to the elections.

The poor are generally anti-European, anti-migration and pro hard brexit, that's why they voted conservative. On the other hand, many rich people would be harmed by a hard Brexit and feel European (by professional, financial, personal interests), so they voted Labour.


That makes sense. I sort of wish corbyn was more pro EU before and labour campaigned better then.
The election was more about austerity it seemed than brexit in the end


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They did.


A lot of people voted conservative probably because of brexit


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A lot of people voted conservative probably because of brexit


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Labour got more votes from under 50s, the working portion of the population.
The middle classes didn't vote for Corbyn because of his left-wing economic policies, they voted for him as he seemed to be less hell-bent on a hard Brexit irrespective of the cost.

The working class voters who voted for Corbyn did so in response to 7 years of austerity causing a fall in living standards.

And as an aside, 'champagne socialist' as a derogatory phrase means absolutely nothing. I don't see the supposed hypocrisy when it comes to wealthier classes voting for extra taxes on themselves in order to see greater public expenditure.
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The middle classes didn't vote for Corbyn because of his left-wing economic policies, they voted for him as he seemed to be less hell-bent on a hard Brexit irrespective of the cost.

The working class voters who voted for Corbyn did so in response to 7 years of austerity causing a fall in living standards.

And as an aside, 'champagne socialist' as a derogatory phrase means absolutely nothing. I don't see the supposed hypocrisy when it comes to wealthier classes voting for extra taxes on themselves in order to see greater public expenditure.


I don't see anything wrong with it. I would say though perhaps it's less about socialism and more about brexit that's might be why they voted for corbyn
They might be more centre voters rather than left socalists


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That makes sense. I sort of wish corbyn was more pro EU before and labour campaigned better then.
The election was more about austerity it seemed than brexit in the end


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Corbyn wasn't campaigning pro EU, because he's been against the EU his entire life.
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Corbyn wasn't campaigning pro EU, because he's been against the EU his entire life.


Yeah but Labour Party was on the remain side generally
It was strange to have an anti EU leader for a party which is mainly pro EU


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Yeah but Labour Party was on the remain side generally
It was strange to have an anti EU leader for a party which is mainly pro EU


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Jez is the leader because he represents progressives that disagree with neo lib corporate labour MPs and who havent been represented before. It wasn't a single issue that put him in the position he's in.

That said, it was funny watching him kinda half heartedly advocate remain, when ever he was asked.
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Jez is the leader because he represents progressives that disagree with neo lib corporate labour MPs and who havent been represented before. It wasn't a single issue that put him in the position he's in.

That said, it was funny watching him kinda half heartedly advocate remain, when ever he was asked.


honestly though if i was those labour MPs I would have given him the vote of no confidence over the EU campaign.
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honestly though if i was those labour MPs I would have given him the vote of no confidence over the EU campaign.


That's kinda rediculous tbh. There are far more serious issues in the country then whether we stay or remain in the EU.

The Tory cuts have left people with full time jobs using foodbanks. The NHS is being sold off and privatised. People can't afford to take care of disabled family members and Neo Libs aren't doing a thing. The proposition to make "Homes inhabitable for humans" was voted AGAINST in a bipartisan vote where 72 of the MPs were landlords and you think we should kick out the only guy in a major party trying to anything about it, because he didn't screech loud enough about the EU?
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Original post by BasicMistake
The middle classes didn't vote for Corbyn because of his left-wing economic policies, they voted for him as he seemed to be less hell-bent on a hard Brexit irrespective of the cost.

The working class voters who voted for Corbyn did so in response to 7 years of austerity causing a fall in living standards.

And as an aside, 'champagne socialist' as a derogatory phrase means absolutely nothing. I don't see the supposed hypocrisy when it comes to wealthier classes voting for extra taxes on themselves in order to see greater public expenditure.

It's not itself about the vote itself, but the general outlook, which is inconsistent. For example, they support higher taxes, yet they usually do everything legal and illegal to avoid paying them, they talk about income inequality but underpay domestic staff, they are socialists/communists but have great private wealth (property) and own means of production (capital), they criticise people for displaying wealth and spending money, yet their holidays and watches are always expensive. If they really wanted equality they could start by donating their assets to the poor.
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That's kinda rediculous tbh. There are far more serious issues in the country then whether we stay or remain in the EU.

The Tory cuts have left people with full time jobs using foodbanks. The NHS is being sold off and privatised. People can't afford to take care of disabled family members and Neo Libs aren't doing a thing. The proposition to make "Homes inhabitable for humans" was voted AGAINST in a bipartisan vote where 72 of the MPs were landlords and you think we should kick out the only guy in a major party trying to anything about it, because he didn't screech loud enough about the EU?


It depends on what you think of the EU. For me I think it is quite a serious issue for the economy etc even more than austerity. Corbyn isn't the only person trying to do something about it... If that many MPs felt the same way and gave the vote of no confidence in him, then obviously they felt the EU was an important issue.
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Original post by hpcp
It depends on what you think of the EU.


It depends on how out of touch your priorities are with the average person tbh.

Last I checked, leaving the EU wasn't literally killing people. Until it does, idk how anyone can argue it's worth prioritising over the other issues that are.
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It depends on how out of touch your priorities are with the average person tbh.

Last I checked, leaving the EU wasn't literally killing people. Until it does, idk how anyone can argue it's worth prioritising over the other issues that are.


Well I guess you voted leave then?
A lot people would prioritise the EU over other issues particularly those from higher income backgrounds, businesses etc
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