I only get £4000 for living costs??? WTF???

So it roughly comes down to £ 4000 for the living costs so accomodation, food and all that jazz...
How the hell are you supposed to live on that? If I had known sooner I would've gotten a job.
I still have a year till I go to uni. Should I just get a job?
My parents are telling me to stay at home while going to uni cause otherwise it costs too much but I've always looked forward to moving out. I just can't stay at home any more.
What is everyone else getting? I'm so frustrated and the fact that it's based on parents income isn't fair cause what if they do earn a lot but don't really wanna pay all that for uni?
I really just wanna move out but how?

Usual (lower?) middle class unreasonable complaints. Get your parents to pay, student finance isn't supposed to cover all your expenses, only what your parents can't afford.

If your parents don't understand the governments expectation to give you about 3k a year (at a guess they must earn over 50k) then there's not much you can do except get a job and start saving asap really. you could show them this
http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/09/02/how-much-are-parents-supposed-to-give-their-children-when-they-go-to-university/ and see what their reaction is?

thankyou that was actually very helpful. they probs will give the money but i think they want me to stay home but we don't exactly get on well so I have always waited for uni so I can move out. I also hate the idea for travelling back and forth.
3k would definitely be enough on top of the loan.

It at least gives your parents an idea of the governments logic, it's understandable if you want to move out. It wouldnt be ideal but if you can work part time in the mean time and save some cash and there's student overdraft available, if you're sensible when you go to uni with accommodation and the like, it wouldn't be easy for sure but it wouldn't be impossible to manage with little cash from your parents.

what's student overdraft?

Usual (lower?) middle class unreasonable complaints. Get your parents to pay, student finance isn't supposed to cover all your expenses, only what your parents can't afford.

Usual (lower?) middle class unreasonable complaints. Get your parents to pay, student finance isn't supposed to cover all your expenses, only what your parents can't afford.

Thanks to the ridiculously high costs of uni now, your parents are expected to help you find you want through if they can afford it. Sadly the government cannot give large loans to people whose parents can afford to help, as then people whose parents genuinely cannot afford to give them anything would be given smaller loans and would be completely unable to go to university altogether.Therefore it means people from higher income families may be more relient on their family for finance and it means if your family ask you to live at home for uni, you need to respect that decision because they are the ones who'll be paying after all. If you really can't face living at home there's still some things you can do.You can get a full time job over the summer, and yes it sucks, but some of my friends are doing it and it means at the end of the summer they will have about £3000 as well as their loan, enough to live away from home, not relient on their parents. Since you still have a year, you have more time, so can choose to work less to save. I've been working in a bar/restaurant a couple of nights a week to save for uni and I've got £1700 saved ready. You can also work while you're at uni. I've worked out that my loan will just about cover my accomodation, my savings will cover my food,textbooks and laundry (at a stretch) and so I'll be working to pay for things like going out / trips / clothes / toiletries / stationary etc.Hope this helps

The usual self-entitled poor, expecting that those better off should pay for them, even if they can barely afford to pay for their own children.

The fact is that parents are expected, but not required, to contribute. That often leaves students in a position where they don't have enough money, and much less than those from poor backgrounds, because of their parents' income.

It should be clear that your parents' income is irrelevant if they don't give you money. IMO, parental income should not be considered. The system is broken.

yh it's not that easy. Asian parents and that. they said they would pay but not to live close to uni but to commute which I can't even begin to think about.

Not true. Middle class parents would either pay for all of their childs uni years or pay for their living expenses or even both in most cases... AWks

The usual self-entitled poor, expecting that those better off should pay for them, even if they can barely afford to pay for their own children.

The fact is that parents are expected, but not required, to contribute. That often leaves students in a position where they don't have enough money, and much less than those from poor backgrounds, because of their parents' income.

It should be clear that your parents' income is irrelevant if they don't give you money. IMO, parental income should not be considered. The system is broken.

All we need is a law that forces the parents to contribute to education for deserving students, up to bachelor's degree. Regardless, this isn't even a case where dreadful parents are refusing to contribute: OP doesn't lack support, he simply doesn't have enough money to move out. I don't think that the state should finance this, given that the right we are trying to enforce is to education, not to moving out of home. The state has made sure that OP could get an education, that's enough.

How could you possibly think you could enforce a law where money has to be forcibly taken out of parents' personal bank accounts to supplement a student who has actively chosen to go to university, with or without the blessing of their parents? University is a choice, it's not a right like secondary education where attendance is enforced. 'Richer' parents are still likely to have financial commitments like mortgage payments, credit card payments, utility bills, car insurance, child care, food, the upkeep of other children, etc.

The same way it's possible to enforce a law that says parents have to support us for 18 years.

Once you're 18 you're an adult, legally you don't need parents at that age, as they can kick you out and have nothing to do with you at all. I don't see how you think any of that could or would possibly change, all because people actively choose to go to university when they can't afford to go.

All we need is a law that forces the parents to contribute to education for deserving students, up to bachelor's degree.

Regardless, this isn't even a case where dreadful parents are refusing to contribute: OP doesn't lack support, he simply doesn't have enough money to move out. I don't think that the state should finance this, given that the right we are trying to enforce is to education, not to moving out of home. The state has made sure that OP could get an education, that's enough.

What do people pay taxes for? I'm sick of the attitude that the non-poor are a bottomless pit of money.

The state should offer 'loans' to all deserving students - you do a worthwhile (economically or socially) degree, you get the same loan, regardless of how much your parents earn. A person's contribution to the state is based on their income - we should not expect parents, that have already paid what the state expects in tax, to pay again.

What next? Should parents that aren't poor also pay again for education up to 18?


If their parents were poor, they would have the money - how is that fair?