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Why do anti-fascists put together capitalism with fascism?

When National Socialist Germany were against capitalism?
Because they're uneducated irrational morons.
Original post by YourTeachersLied
When National Socialist Germany were against capitalism?


Because they'll use anything to fit their narrative and further their agenda.
They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed... But they are still tools.

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Original post by Mathemagicien
What is uneducated about being opposed to two things, who just happen to be enemies?

Theresa May is against islamophobia and radical islam. Those are two opposing things - is she an uneducated irrational moron? (Bad example, of course she is, but you get my point).



AntiFa can be pretty sharp when they are armed with knives or glass bottles.


So long as we're clear that criticism of Sharia Law and the backward nature of the Islamic ideology is not Islamophobic, then I can agree with you.
Original post by Mathemagicien
You'd have to clear that up with Theresa May, not me...


I thought you were Theresa May? Sad. :frown:
Original post by Mathemagicien
You'd have to clear that up with Theresa May, not me...


RoboMay does not compute.

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The left wing anti-fascists generally saw Fascism as Capitalist reaction to a rising socialist movement. A lot of the capitalist class sided with Fascist like Hitler and Franco in order to fight back against socialist workers. Socialism was popular back then so Fascists also adopted and cop opted working class organisation, Mussolini came from a socialist background. Fascism is a very weird and contradictory ideology that absorbed loads of different groups for various reasons which means all sides of the politician spectrums can attribute fascism to the side they don't like.

Something else to consider is that the anti-fascists today tend to be from the libertarian left who's historical forefathers are factions like the CNT in the Spanish civil war. That kind of bottom up socialism was always against fascism and saw Centralised authoritarian statism as being the problem and inherent to capitalism, fascism was the extreme of this, was anti egalitarian, anti worker emancipation and democracy.

It also should not be hard to work out why communists marched against fought fascists. Communism an egalitarian society where there is no state and no capitalist activity, fascism is very authoritarian statist system where everyone if a cog in the massive meat grinder of corporatist fascist society.
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To the liberal left, anything they don't 100% agree with = fascist.
Original post by YourTeachersLied
When National Socialist Germany were against capitalism?


They weren't against capitalism. Hitler privatised a number of industries in the 30s and believed in private ownership.
Original post by Mathemagicien
Hmm, lets not get into a debate again, but I'd just like to point out (for others) that this is the anarchist (or 'libertarian left':wink: interpretation of communism. Communism doesn't necessarily disregard the governing role of the state.

No problem with the rest.


A communist society has no state. It's part of the definition. The state is not needed anymore.

The interpretation differs on how to get to that end goal.

"The term "communist society" should be distinguished from the Western concept of the "communist state", the latter referring to a state ruled by a party which professes a variation of Marxism–Leninism.[6][7]"

You endless confuse a Marxist or Marxist-Leninist state as a communist society. Those things were supposed to be steps towards communism, Marx would not have said they were communist societies and neither did honest Leninists (including Lenin).

My point is that Fascism is not a transitional workers controlled state guiding society towards socialism and then communism. Fascism is the end point. The communist utopian ideal is worlds apart form the fascist utopian ideal. Politics is a battle of ideas and communism is the opposite of fascism in many ways, which is why they generally hasted each other so much.They were both a problem for the other side. No communist's ideal society was Stalin's Russia. Franco was what fascist actually wanted, Hitler was the way to creating an ayran super race by exterminating the jews etc. Once it became apparent what the USSR was, pro soviet communists generally defended the USSR as being a necessary evil rather than celebrating it.

All this is important of you want to understand why communists and fascist hated each other so much despite fascist and communist states looking very similar to each other from the dominant liberal western viewpoint. Especially if you want to avoid tedious lazy horseshoe theory of "they are actually the same thing" *******s, unless you a liberal who wants to cynically hit the left over the head with horseshoes.
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Original post by YourTeachersLied
When National Socialist Germany were against capitalism?


Because that simply isn't true?
Original post by Foo.mp3
The Nazis were corporatist, don't get it twisted, but ANTIFA are against anything that isn't no borders anarchy. Kids need to grow up :yy:

Corporatism and capitalism are indistinguishable in reality.
Original post by Mathemagicien
... and would probably have gradually continued to do so if they had won the war, which would have guaranteed them monopolies over new markets to keep their economy ticking while they readjusted their economy.


And having failed to achieve that by war, they ended up doing it peacefully... Irrepressible, these Germans.
There are absolutely no fascists in power in the West, Antifa are just a bunch of idiotic thugs.
Original post by Mathemagicien
It is true. That isn't to say they were socialist - fascism is a third way corporatist system, where the old classes (by wealth) are replaced by new ones (by occupation) that work together for the nation, a system known as corporatism.



That's arguably how capitalism came into being. You have just described the British Empire.
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