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Sex trafficking goes on where women are forced into it even though they look compliant in the videos so you wouldn't know, and also women who have agreed to do such and such in the porn film then get pushed into doing more than that by guilt-tripping and threatening from producers. Male sex workers/porn stars are usually game for having lots of sex, whereas women are usually in that industry due to childhood abuse and drug addiction.
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Original post by Little Toy Gun
Do you have trouble reading?
The "chemicals" your brain releases when you're watching porn are:
dopamine - it's a chemical the brain releases as a reward. Humans get them when they eat something good, listen to a good song, meet a person you like, fall in love etc. Are you going to stop having good food because it turns out having good food is just as bad as watching porn?
norepinephrine - you get it when you're asked a question, when you're making a presentation, when you're writing an assignment etc. Are you going to drop out of school since apparently it's just as bad as watching porn?
Having these two kinds of chemicals are good for you - not negative - because they prevent depression, and ironically make you less likely to fall for addiction.
All the other chemicals are released whenever one has sex. Are we going to not have sex altogether?
The "chemicals" your brain releases when you're watching porn are:
dopamine - it's a chemical the brain releases as a reward. Humans get them when they eat something good, listen to a good song, meet a person you like, fall in love etc. Are you going to stop having good food because it turns out having good food is just as bad as watching porn?
norepinephrine - you get it when you're asked a question, when you're making a presentation, when you're writing an assignment etc. Are you going to drop out of school since apparently it's just as bad as watching porn?
Having these two kinds of chemicals are good for you - not negative - because they prevent depression, and ironically make you less likely to fall for addiction.
All the other chemicals are released whenever one has sex. Are we going to not have sex altogether?
yeah pal what what ur missing is the vast quanity of dopmaine brain ain't evolved for that **** check out ybop ted talk
Original post by Little Toy Gun
Oh. So you're saying it's not true that people fantasize about having a prince charming without realizing that they don't exist?
People don't have the concept of "finding my better half" when one may not actually exist?
Surely I don't have to tell you there have been children and teenagers who died due to their imitating what they watched on TV, thinking they were real?
People don't have the concept of "finding my better half" when one may not actually exist?
Surely I don't have to tell you there have been children and teenagers who died due to their imitating what they watched on TV, thinking they were real?
Media perpetration of idealised 'life goals' is stupid I agree.
But this isn't necessarily only an issue with the media. It's something that we are socialised into.
In order for society to function we need children, to have children we need couples. Children have a better chance of being stables members of society if they have stability so for that we have marriage. Marriage means that we need less homes to house everyone as they're likely to amalgamate households. Marriage requires income and a home which forces people into work which means that ££ is made for the economy. Religion requires the same and so they also punt the idea that the family is the perfect unit.
It's all a bit Marxist. But the media is not the same problem as porn as we can learn the behaviour required to fit into society from other access points : Family, Work, Religion, School.
For sex, there's only a couple of places you can learn about it and we're a nation of prudes so very few learn about good sex from their family or school. You'd probably get fired about it at work. Religion wants purity and monogamy so they're not about the orgasms either.
So TLDR - Media portrayal of idealised life goals should not be conflated with the issues surrounding the Pornographic industry as they both serve different purposes.
Also about your point of people imitating stuff they've seen on TV and dying etc- That's Darwin's law at work. There will always be idiots.
Original post by Friffinghell
Media perpetration of idealised 'life goals' is stupid I agree.
But this isn't necessarily only an issue with the media. It's something that we are socialised into.
In order for society to function we need children, to have children we need couples. Children have a better chance of being stables members of society if they have stability so for that we have marriage. Marriage means that we need less homes to house everyone as they're likely to amalgamate households. Marriage requires income and a home which forces people into work which means that ££ is made for the economy. Religion requires the same and so they also punt the idea that the family is the perfect unit.
It's all a bit Marxist. But the media is not the same problem as porn as we can learn the behaviour required to fit into society from other access points : Family, Work, Religion, School.
For sex, there's only a couple of places you can learn about it and we're a nation of prudes so very few learn about good sex from their family or school. You'd probably get fired about it at work. Religion wants purity and monogamy so they're not about the orgasms either.
So TLDR - Media portrayal of idealised life goals should not be conflated with the issues surrounding the Pornographic industry as they both serve different purposes.
Also about your point of people imitating stuff they've seen on TV and dying etc- That's Darwin's law at work. There will always be idiots.
But this isn't necessarily only an issue with the media. It's something that we are socialised into.
In order for society to function we need children, to have children we need couples. Children have a better chance of being stables members of society if they have stability so for that we have marriage. Marriage means that we need less homes to house everyone as they're likely to amalgamate households. Marriage requires income and a home which forces people into work which means that ££ is made for the economy. Religion requires the same and so they also punt the idea that the family is the perfect unit.
It's all a bit Marxist. But the media is not the same problem as porn as we can learn the behaviour required to fit into society from other access points : Family, Work, Religion, School.
For sex, there's only a couple of places you can learn about it and we're a nation of prudes so very few learn about good sex from their family or school. You'd probably get fired about it at work. Religion wants purity and monogamy so they're not about the orgasms either.
So TLDR - Media portrayal of idealised life goals should not be conflated with the issues surrounding the Pornographic industry as they both serve different purposes.
Also about your point of people imitating stuff they've seen on TV and dying etc- That's Darwin's law at work. There will always be idiots.
Yet people still learn the notion of love from pop culture, not from any other source.
How about pop culture products that are cultural-specific? Are you telling me the world's perception of Mexico isn't formed based on the drug cartel TV series from the US?
Where did people in the Middle East get the idea that all American women are sluts? Their own family or US TV shows?
How come some people think all oriental people practise martial arts? How come people think they all are computer geeks? Are you seriously telling me they learn that from school?
The "problem" with porn as you describe it is the same problem with ALL pop culture and in fact also novels.
Your argument that porn is bad cuz it's unrealistic, cuz it's pretence was the same argument people use against novels during the Victorian times. It's the same reason why people looked down upon dramatic performances during Shakespeare's time.
Original post by applesforme
Sex trafficking goes on where women are forced into it even though they look compliant in the videos so you wouldn't know, and also women who have agreed to do such and such in the porn film then get pushed into doing more than that by guilt-tripping and threatening from producers. Male sex workers/porn stars are usually game for having lots of sex, whereas women are usually in that industry due to childhood abuse and drug addiction.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnhenry-westen/want-to-stop-sex-traffick_b_6563338.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnhenry-westen/want-to-stop-sex-traffick_b_6563338.html
You also can't tell if the beggars on the street or the workers in the restaurant were forced and trafficked so I guess you'd just have to lock yourself at home, hoping no construction workers were trafficked as coolies back then.
Original post by Dominoes
yeah pal what what ur missing is the vast quanity of dopmaine brain ain't evolved for that **** check out ybop ted talk
I know very well which ridiculous pseudo-science talk you have been watching.
Porn addiction is a thing, just like work addiction or orange juice addiction or any addiction is. And addictions are bad.
But this doesn't mean porn is any worse than anything else that could cause addiction.
All those "chemicals" stuff is just pseudo-science, the same as how vaccines are apparently bad because they contain "chemicals" in them.
Our brains don't have a problem handling those chemicals. If you have "too much" of them, you are an addict. It's not porn that's the problem, but the addiction that is.
Or else you're saying because some people are addicted to food and eat way too much, we all should just stop eating.
Original post by Little Toy Gun
Yet people still learn the notion of love from pop culture, not from any other source.
How about pop culture products that are cultural-specific? Are you telling me the world's perception of Mexico isn't formed based on the drug cartel TV series from the US?
Where did people in the Middle East get the idea that all American women are sluts? Their own family or US TV shows?
How come some people think all oriental people practise martial arts? How come people think they all are computer geeks? Are you seriously telling me they learn that from school?
The "problem" with porn as you describe it is the same problem with ALL pop culture and in fact also novels.
Your argument that porn is bad cuz it's unrealistic, cuz it's pretence was the same argument people use against novels during the Victorian times. It's the same reason why people looked down upon dramatic performances during Shakespeare's time.
How about pop culture products that are cultural-specific? Are you telling me the world's perception of Mexico isn't formed based on the drug cartel TV series from the US?
Where did people in the Middle East get the idea that all American women are sluts? Their own family or US TV shows?
How come some people think all oriental people practise martial arts? How come people think they all are computer geeks? Are you seriously telling me they learn that from school?
The "problem" with porn as you describe it is the same problem with ALL pop culture and in fact also novels.
Your argument that porn is bad cuz it's unrealistic, cuz it's pretence was the same argument people use against novels during the Victorian times. It's the same reason why people looked down upon dramatic performances during Shakespeare's time.
Notions of love are not only perpetrated via pop culture. They are orchestrated via traditional tales and populist socialisation. The cult of the wedding and proposals etc all perpetrate the notion of the love myth.
Stereotypes of other nationalities is not the same problem as poor personal sexual identities. It is an issue- but it is not the same nor a related issue.
My argument is not that porn is bad because it's unrealistic. My argument is that we don't have adequate sexual health education in this country for people to understand the difference between porn and normal relationships. My argument is also that the porn industry, whilst moderated, still has massive gaps in it's governance and can manipulate vulnerable people into a job theatre which is still considered taboo.
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen Shakespeare compared to BANGBIGBUTTZXXX .
Also people didn't look down upon theatre in Shakespeares time. All the actors were men.
But they did look down against women in saloon entertainment as it was an undignified profession and therefore heavily taken up by prostitutes in saloon halls and salons.
Original post by Friffinghell
Notions of love are not only perpetrated via pop culture. They are orchestrated via traditional tales and populist socialisation. The cult of the wedding and proposals etc all perpetrate the notion of the love myth.
Stereotypes of other nationalities is not the same problem as poor personal sexual identities. It is an issue- but it is not the same nor a related issue.
My argument is not that porn is bad because it's unrealistic. My argument is that we don't have adequate sexual health education in this country for people to understand the difference between porn and normal relationships. My argument is also that the porn industry, whilst moderated, still has massive gaps in it's governance and can manipulate vulnerable people into a job theatre which is still considered taboo.
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen Shakespeare compared to BANGBIGBUTTZXXX .
Also people didn't look down upon theatre in Shakespeares time. All the actors were men.
But they did look down against women in saloon entertainment as it was an undignified profession and therefore heavily taken up by prostitutes in saloon halls and salons.
Stereotypes of other nationalities is not the same problem as poor personal sexual identities. It is an issue- but it is not the same nor a related issue.
My argument is not that porn is bad because it's unrealistic. My argument is that we don't have adequate sexual health education in this country for people to understand the difference between porn and normal relationships. My argument is also that the porn industry, whilst moderated, still has massive gaps in it's governance and can manipulate vulnerable people into a job theatre which is still considered taboo.
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen Shakespeare compared to BANGBIGBUTTZXXX .
Also people didn't look down upon theatre in Shakespeares time. All the actors were men.
But they did look down against women in saloon entertainment as it was an undignified profession and therefore heavily taken up by prostitutes in saloon halls and salons.
People did look down upon theatre at the time. Of course they couldn't accept women on the stage, but many in the upper class were still uncomfortable with the idea of drama, believing it to be telling lies. The same as novels.
It is the same and related. You're talking about the lack of opportunity for people to understand what real sex is like. People also are very ignorant of other cultures because they lack the opportunity to understand what those cultures are really like. It's the exact same issue.
Yes, the rituals contribute to the false notion of love. And those rituals are also a part of pop culture. And regardless, are you now admitting that we also have crap education about love and so all pop songs, movies, TV shows, and books should now be banned?
Original post by Little Toy Gun
People did look down upon theatre at the time. Of course they couldn't accept women on the stage, but many in the upper class were still uncomfortable with the idea of drama, believing it to be telling lies. The same as novels.
It is the same and related. You're talking about the lack of opportunity for people to understand what real sex is like. People also are very ignorant of other cultures because they lack the opportunity to understand what those cultures are really like. It's the exact same issue.
Yes, the rituals contribute to the false notion of love. And those rituals are also a part of pop culture. And regardless, are you now admitting that we also have crap education about love and so all pop songs, movies, TV shows, and books should now be banned?
It is the same and related. You're talking about the lack of opportunity for people to understand what real sex is like. People also are very ignorant of other cultures because they lack the opportunity to understand what those cultures are really like. It's the exact same issue.
Yes, the rituals contribute to the false notion of love. And those rituals are also a part of pop culture. And regardless, are you now admitting that we also have crap education about love and so all pop songs, movies, TV shows, and books should now be banned?
Actually, they did not look down upon theatre during that era. It was one of the most popular forms of entertainment enjoyed by all classes. Some religious groups frowned upon it for the themes displayed which led to Government censorship on the grounds of profanity. But other than some moderation it was widely enjoyed.
Not having adequate education on your personal sex life and not having adequate education about other cultures are both issues- but they are not related. Sexual identities and Racism are not the same thing. Each are their own issue with their own bugbears about the media and socialisation. But to group them as the same problem is probably quite racist as it denies a systemic and historic bias.
At the end of the day. To live in the UK, as an average joe.The chances of you travelling the world extensively are unlikely. You probably do not need to know about the economic realities of Ethopia or about indigenous societies in the Amazon. You'd probably be better off knowing about it but it's not necessary knowledge required for living and workng in the UK.
But if you do not understand the realities of your own sex life, your expectations versus your partners. The mechanics and realities of relationships. Then you might falter- suffer mental health issues, be unhappy, make your partner unhappy or worse. This knowledge is required for most of the population of the Uk in order to have a good quality of life.
As I said earlier, Porn could be fine. If I could be sure that it was an ethical industry then it would be far less problematic. But porn can not substitute an education. And this is something that needs to be addressed.
if you think about it, pornography is similar to organised, recorded prostitution where women are still exploited, despite their reasons for entering the industry in the first place (most likely money incentives). the man's face is rarely ever shown and most focus is on the woman, which may also explain why she maybe gets paid more. there is a whole argument about pornography setting unrealistic standards for women's bodies and how sex lives should be, but has also produced a disassociation where a lot of male porn addicts view women as nothing more than sex objects. often in porn there is no form of "real love" or caressing or any types of real intimacy, and with porn-viewing being such a wide phenomenon, some people worry that this could lead to the further mistreatment of relationships being seen as purely a selfish thing for our own sexual gratification.
i watched a TED talk on this once. whilst i personally don't think there's anything wrong with watching porn, it was really interesting to hear someone speaking on this topic and I totally suggest people check it out
https://youtu.be/gRJ_QfP2mhU
i watched a TED talk on this once. whilst i personally don't think there's anything wrong with watching porn, it was really interesting to hear someone speaking on this topic and I totally suggest people check it out
https://youtu.be/gRJ_QfP2mhU
but how are the women treated anymore like object than the men in gay porn are treated like objects? Like seriously I as a consumer of mainly gay pornographic material don't see how either is objectifying one more? I think it's simply that people don't like men doing it to women. While men doing it to men or women doing it to men is more acceptable. Probably because of the history of how people shunned female sexuality long ago? That's all I can come up with.
@Nathan scott I'm a natural addict that's not a side effect for me since I get addicted to everything.
Original post by justme3991
but how are the women treated anymore like object than the men in gay porn are treated like objects? Like seriously I as a consumer of mainly gay pornographic material don't see how either is objectifying one more? I think it's simply that people don't like men doing it to women. While men doing it to men or women doing it to men is more acceptable. Probably because of the history of how people shunned female sexuality long ago? That's all I can come up with.
I think it's because gay male porn is still slightly more taboo for average audiences. Being a homosexual was only decriminalised in England and Wales in the 1960s.
We've had a longer and more prevalent experience of straight porn which is why I think a lot of popular anti-porn propaganda focuses on female rights as the historically subjugated sex.
Even today there's still that stigma of being a woman involved in the sex industry, whereas if a guy did a porn shoot he'd be 'a bro' and not 'a slut'. There's still a lot of double standards.
Original post by justme3991
I'm curious I was looking at something yesterday someone was trying to shame men who watch porn or say that porn degrades women? But what I don't get is don't women and men watch porn? I thought porn was like masturbation etc... I mean I thought it was only natural to like watch. I am actually a virgin and in my mid to early 20's by choice. But have always watched porn since I was 15 and the porn I watched never had women in it to begin with it. So I don't see how it degrades women? Also does porn degrade men too then? Especially men on men porn? I remember when I was younger than 15 I still managed to find a way to find pornographic material. as young as 13 I believe. I don't see how one would say though it's terrible to be one who watches porn? And how is porn wrong for women or men?those who watch or those who make it for that matter?
There's sod all wrong with porn in of itself, everyone enters into the filming knowing what they are signing up for.
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Original post by paul514
There's sod all wrong with porn in of itself, everyone enters into the filming knowing what they are signing up for.
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That's not true for all porn.
Original post by paul514
There's sod all wrong with porn in of itself, everyone enters into the filming knowing what they are signing up for.
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What about the people who are forced into porn? Orntricked?
Plus it's very easy to cover up bruises abuse etc pretty much all porn stars are horrifically abused.
You really think they signed up for that?
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with porn, but some porn is problematic, and it's hard to tell good from bad. Sometimes the women are coerced or taken advantage of, but you would have no idea based on the video. It's also easy for some people to get hooked on porn or to start watching more and more extreme videos.
On the other hand, there are some concerns about porn I think aren't particularly problematic. For example, the use of porn in a relationship I think is reasonable. Another example is that porn objectifies women - I think porn does objectify women, but I don't think all objectification is bad. In this case, there's simply no way around it, because the pleasure the viewer gets is derived almost entirely on what the girl looks like and what she's doing. Giving porn actresses personalities and back stories would be ridiculous, and people would skip it anyway to get to the good stuff.
On the other hand, there are some concerns about porn I think aren't particularly problematic. For example, the use of porn in a relationship I think is reasonable. Another example is that porn objectifies women - I think porn does objectify women, but I don't think all objectification is bad. In this case, there's simply no way around it, because the pleasure the viewer gets is derived almost entirely on what the girl looks like and what she's doing. Giving porn actresses personalities and back stories would be ridiculous, and people would skip it anyway to get to the good stuff.
Original post by DCFCfan4eva
What about the people who are forced into porn? Orntricked?
Whats that?
Original post by Friffinghell
Actually, they did not look down upon theatre during that era. It was one of the most popular forms of entertainment enjoyed by all classes. Some religious groups frowned upon it for the themes displayed which led to Government censorship on the grounds of profanity. But other than some moderation it was widely enjoyed.
Not having adequate education on your personal sex life and not having adequate education about other cultures are both issues- but they are not related. Sexual identities and Racism are not the same thing. Each are their own issue with their own bugbears about the media and socialisation. But to group them as the same problem is probably quite racist as it denies a systemic and historic bias.
At the end of the day. To live in the UK, as an average joe.The chances of you travelling the world extensively are unlikely. You probably do not need to know about the economic realities of Ethopia or about indigenous societies in the Amazon. You'd probably be better off knowing about it but it's not necessary knowledge required for living and workng in the UK.
But if you do not understand the realities of your own sex life, your expectations versus your partners. The mechanics and realities of relationships. Then you might falter- suffer mental health issues, be unhappy, make your partner unhappy or worse. This knowledge is required for most of the population of the Uk in order to have a good quality of life.
As I said earlier, Porn could be fine. If I could be sure that it was an ethical industry then it would be far less problematic. But porn can not substitute an education. And this is something that needs to be addressed.
Not having adequate education on your personal sex life and not having adequate education about other cultures are both issues- but they are not related. Sexual identities and Racism are not the same thing. Each are their own issue with their own bugbears about the media and socialisation. But to group them as the same problem is probably quite racist as it denies a systemic and historic bias.
At the end of the day. To live in the UK, as an average joe.The chances of you travelling the world extensively are unlikely. You probably do not need to know about the economic realities of Ethopia or about indigenous societies in the Amazon. You'd probably be better off knowing about it but it's not necessary knowledge required for living and workng in the UK.
But if you do not understand the realities of your own sex life, your expectations versus your partners. The mechanics and realities of relationships. Then you might falter- suffer mental health issues, be unhappy, make your partner unhappy or worse. This knowledge is required for most of the population of the Uk in order to have a good quality of life.
As I said earlier, Porn could be fine. If I could be sure that it was an ethical industry then it would be far less problematic. But porn can not substitute an education. And this is something that needs to be addressed.
They were popular but not seen as a high form of entertainment, just like pop music and indeed porn today.
They ARE the same issue because both are ignorance built up by the media. But sure, randomly call me a racist because you have no actual arguments to offer.
Whilst the average person is not likely to travel much, you are imagining a world where immigrants don't exist, where international relations don't exist. Why are there so much support for a wall between the US and Mexico? Did most Americans travel to Mexico and made an informed decision based on that? Why are black people suffering more from unemployment? How did negative or indeed any racial stereotype that comes with discrimination penetrate so deeply still? Held so tightly still? If I'm somehow racist for acknowledging that pop culture contributes much to racism, you are certainly more racist to suggest that racism is not an everyday issue if someone doesn't travel.
Putting aside the fact that you have the burden of proof to show that porn has given people an actual unrealistic expectation, it's still largely a non-issue. At the end of the day, every person has their own sexual preferences so even real life experiences don't apply necessarily; and people have to be good at sex with experience built up anyway, just like with *everything else*.
And I see you have avoided the topic of unrealistic romance altogether now. If your argument is that sex is an everyday issue whilst racism is somehow not, you at least have to acknowledge that romance is an everyday issue.
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