Liberal Muslim AMA

The idea is to prevent immoral acts between a male and female.

It's not like Chicago or something, with people getting gunned down all the time, and it's not like Lambeth, which is gang central. The only thing there is is loads of roadmen, and a few people that you need be to be careful about. If you mind your business it's alright. Don't pay attention to articles like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/the-13-unhappiest-places-to-live-in-britain-a7687486.html
It's bs imo.

Which acts do you think are immoral? What is the logical justification for that set of morals?

Pre marital (sexual) relations

In addition to religion, I disagree with this relationship because it's comparitvely weak and short (to marriage). It also has a higher chance to result in single parents (compared to married families) and therefore is socially problematic. These are my personal beliefs.

People enjoy it. It does no harm, so what's the problem?

Couples separate whether they're married or not. The issue is one of responsibility, not marriage IMO.

My point was that married couples are less likely to split, in comparison to un married couples. Therefore, for society, I believe it to be the superior position.

S/O you, people fabricate and exaggerate sh*t when it comes to ends. Cool, Lewisham may be a bit dodgy at times compared to other parts of the country but it's not like you go outside and instantly get robbed or shanked.

So there are two issues with that:
1. Do you have evidence to support your claim?
2. People do lots of things that are bad, and place a strain on society / support services, e.g. being over-weight, not exercising, drinking too much, smoking etc. We don't try to ban things that are bad, we just make the information available and let people decide for themselves.

1. You asked for a logical justifcation and as I have repeatedly stated, it's my opinion. I do not have evidence in support of this because I haven't researched. I used logic.

2. The issue with single parent families is that it affects the children, which affects their offspring and the repition continues. So we have a strong negative impact on multiple/many generations and therefore I oppose it. Whilst I agree (to an extent) that people have autonomy, I also believe certain acts should be prohibited.

A logical argument needs to be based on correct facts. I don't know if unmarried couples are more or less likely to separate, so I'm not disputing it, just asking if you can back-up the assertion.

The divorce rate is very high, although it is falling, which has been attributed to couples cohabiting for longer before marriage.

Marriage is a commitment. Couples can commit to each other without a marriage, so it really is just down to the individuals being responsible, using contraception, or being committed to the relationship.

Or perhaps a reduction in marriages leads to a reduction in divorces? Although this is not infallible evidence, but I know of a couple who lived together for 10 years and then married. They divorced after 4 months.

Anyway, regardless of all this, this is not my AMA.

Really? The Quran is fairly explicit, for example:

4:11


2:282

It blatantly values women less than men. If this is the true word of your god, then he's a misogynist.

I'm not sure that this example helps your point.

In regards to your first quote, that doesn't mean women are not equal for Men. In islam if the father dies, then the sons have to take care of the house. Thus the oldest son is in line for this duty. This means he has to spend the money on the house, food, bills, gifts for those who live their. He cannot spend it freely on what he wants. But Women, they can spend it on whatever they want to. The males have to spend theirs for them and for the children if any. That way it makes logical sense to give the men more so they have enough to spend on everyone.

The second quote, back in the day women and men were seperated. They didnt work together at all. So in the quote it says 2 men or 1 man and 2 women. Now 2 men and 2 women, so both of them could correct each other. 1 man, because usually women would be chaperoned and not be alone. 2 women so they correct each other just like the men would.

Your answers just underline the sexism in Islam. It may have been acceptable when the Quran was written, but it is not now. Modern morals are better IMO.

How does it undermine the sexism?

From the way I see it, men have it harder with all the extra responsibilities.

Modern morals arent better, from what i last heard theres still pay gaps, women got their rights waay later than they did in islam etc.