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My mum left Islam at 40 years old. AMA.

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Reply 200

wonderuss

Original post by TasteLikeChicken

Tell me about it...

Also you single-handedly defeated multiple iSOC extremists at once, mashallah!

Lol it got a bit boring after a while haha

Reply 201

wonderuss

@QE2 you know your stuff, man!

Reply 202

username3119808

Original post by wonderuss

You don't need to answer my question but the fact that you refuse to, or should I say, unable to, tells me a lot.

I have realised that you are simply and mindlessly defending a religion you know nothing of, just like the media likes to do.

So, goodbye and have a good evening.

I've been a bit rushed off my feet today. Haven't really had time to answer you.

I guess to some extent yes, people have under the guise of Islam tried to kill in an unlawful way. Islam does not promote that. There are strict rules of engagement in war. A Muslim cannot kill women, children, chop trees, destroy religious sites or kill innocent people. For example if someone on the battlefield says they don't want to fight, a Muslim cannot kill him.

There are too many conditions to enumerate here so I'm providing a link for you:

http://1000gooddeeds.com/2012/11/20/10-islamic-rules-of-war/

Read it and I hope it answers your question.

Reply 203

Plantagenet Crown

Original post by FailedMyMocks

I wouldn't be so sure Mr Crown :smile:

I’m positively certain. Islam is a false religion and hellfire an imaginary place.

Reply 204

QE2

Original post by FailedMyMocks

What source are you getting your translation from? Why don't we use the official site of the Qur'an..? What? The "official site of the Quran"? Is that the one Allah runs?
There is no "official site"!
The whole point is, Islam claims that the Quran has never changed, even one word, so every Quran site is the same.
Of course, translations vary slightly but when you look at several you can see that they all carry the same idea with no real variation.
This site is quite good for checking a discrepencies. http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=22&verse=19
If all these fluent Arabic speaking, bilingual Muslims, many of them scholars, agree on the meaning of a verse, who are you to question their accuracy?

I don't know the context of that particular verse but if it is talking about hell-fire then yes, I wouldn't want to experience a second of the torment in there.

So you think that that description of the eternal torture in jahannam is an appropriate punishment for (for example) a volunteer aid doctor who devotes his life to saving children in conflict and disaster zones but also happens to think Islam is a load of violent, intolerant, iron age mythology?

How nice!

Reply 205

username3119808

Original post by wonderuss

Ah okay, sorry for assuming you were Muslim. Anyway, the question still stands, what do you think about this verse in the Quran?

"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other...As for those for whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them" (4:34)

Interested to know your views.

Well my beliefs are personal. I don't divulge them.

Like I said before it's probably best to get someone's opinion like an imam who specialises in this.

Have you looked up the tafseer online?

Reply 206

QE2

Original post by FailedMyMocks

I believe God is just. He has Jannah for the righteous Muslims. True, Eternal happiness. Nothing like that can be found in this temporary, cold world. The Prophet SAW says This Dunya (World) is a prison for the Believer and Paradise for the disbelievers.

You are just parroting what it says in the Quran and sunnah.
What makes you think that what is in the Quran and sunnah is actually true?

Reply 207

wonderuss

Original post by Mythirdleg

Well my beliefs are personal. I don't divulge them.

Like I said before it's probably best to get someone's opinion like an imam who specialises in this.

Have you looked up the tafseer online?

Why is it best to get an imam's opinion? I think we've had enough of imam's opinions. It's time people started using their own brains to find answers.

And why would I need a tafseer for this? It's very simple to understand. It is what it is.

Reply 208

jam277.75

Original post by QE2

It is irrelevant how accomplished the writing is, it was either written by an omniscient, infallible god, or by some 7th century Arabs.

In this context, there really is nothing remarkable about the Quran (other than people actually believing that it is the work of omniscient infallible divinity! ) Derivative, repetitive, disjointed, philosophically unsophisticated and entirely culturally and historically relative, it is hard to believe that anyone can think it is anything but the work of medieval authors.

It’s fairly relevant considering all historians accept and note that Muhammad was an illiterate shepherd prior to the book- it’s certainly interesting, regardless of your views of the actual contents, and if you’d assume that rather than God, he was the author, that someone from such an uneducated background was able to take on and surpass the literature achievements of both a tribe and a language that had prided itself on being so far ahead of everyone else in their scriptures.

Reply 209

wonderuss

Original post by FailedMyMocks

I wouldn't be so sure Mr Crown :smile:

That smile is creepy af bro. Why do Muslims like negative things?

Reply 210

username3119808

Original post by wonderuss

Okay, now I'm certain that you don't know what you're talking about nor do you know how to answer a question or take into account what people have previously said. I can't be bothered to keep repeating things. And stop sending me links please, thanks.

lol

Reply 211

username3119808

Original post by wonderuss

Because he probably knows a tad more than me about the subject.

And yes, it is what it is. I've said that all along mate.

Does that compute?

Reply 212

wonderuss

Original post by Mythirdleg

Because he probably knows a tad more than me about the subject.

And yes, it is what it is. I've said that all along mate.

Does that compute?

If you don't know enough then why are you trying to defend Islam? On what grounds?

Reply 213

FailedMyMocks

There is no point in trying to convince you guys, you seem pretty set on your beliefs as am I.

Reply 214

username3119808

Original post by wonderuss

If you don't know enough then why are you trying to defend Islam? On what grounds?

I just don't "believe" in belittling or ridiculing any persons religion or belief system. And that is what I think you're doing. I don't know where you're from but in the U.K. we present a level of tolerance and respect to other people's belief. That's what a democracy is.

Arguments about religion are futile. It's not like conducting an experiment in Finland and one in Australia and comparing results. It's subjective rather than objective.

Also - you extract a verse and infer something based on what you interpret to mean. I don't think the Qu'ran is open to interpretation- except as how the Prophet SAW interpreted it. If I don't something, I say it ... If you really had a ardent desire to know more you'd ask an Imam ... or raise it in an Islamic forum rather than TSR.

Can't be bothered writing anymore. Stop asking stupid questions that antagonise, generate hatred and derision

Reply 215

Mil99

Original post by FailedMyMocks

I don't get what you're saying. This life is a test, without doubt. There are trials and there is suffering but that is the nature of this Dunya (World).

Muslims believe that this life is a test and therefore their main objective is to withstand the suffering and trials. Hence, it follows that they would want this world to end, in order to receive their reward.

It's no coincidence that religious people want and yearn for death and the end of times (eschatology). I find this to be very worrying and it's obvious why.

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Allah SWT says, 'Do the people think they will be left to say 'We Believe' and they will not be tested'? [29/2]

Does God know what they will do (what answer they will give)?

Original post by FailedMyMocks

I want to return to Allah when he is pleased with me yes. Trials are themselves from Allah, the more you grow closer to him the harder the tests and the better the rewards in the Akhira (Hereafter).

Precisely my point - you wish to return to Allah and enter heaven and therefore you look forward to death and the promises you have been made.

Original post by FailedMyMocks

The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad)

I fail to see how this can ever become true.

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Adultery and fornication will be prevalent (The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people, which their ancestors had not known.) (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Al-Haythami)

Like it was prior to and during Mohammeds time. Hence he felt it was a necessary act to prohibit (if it wasn't prevalent, then why would they prohibit it?)

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Adultery and fornication will be performed in the open
The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread (Bukhari & Muslim)

Same as above.

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Women will outnumber men......eventually 50:1 (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad)

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Yes. We belong to Allah. He has created us to worship him alone.
He doesn't need our service, he doesn't require anything he is the eternal being. In-fact we need him!

Why does he want you to worship him? Why are you his property?

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Why should we not pray to our Lord who has given us life. Who has given us sustenance. Who has given us our role model and a mercy to mankind.

Being grateful to someone is one thing but obeying them (in right and wrong) and allowing them to control your entire life is completely different.

Let me get this straight : you bend the knee, obey, love and fear something which you cannot prove exists and you let them determine how to live your entire and only life?

Original post by FailedMyMocks

Nobody is forcing anyone. You are free to do what you please.

In order to escape punishment in Islamic doctrine, you must obey and submit (there's no other way and therefore there's coercion).