My mum left Islam at 40 years old. AMA.
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Original post by stressedteen
No.
This is wrong, only SOME educated Western countries back up Muslims after a hate crime is acted out by ISIS. ISIS is a very very small percentage of Muslims and the religion should not be targeted because ISIS are ****ed up and not true followers of Islam. Therefore, many people feel the need to get behind Muslims and protecting INNOCENT Muslims from being targeted because of ISIS’ idiotic behaviour that they get backlashed for. Additionally, I have never heard anyone say that Muslims are favoured, it honestly made me laugh. The media can’t wait to label and discriminate blacks and Muslims, yet when a Caucasian commits the same crime, the media can’t wait to describe all the work that they have done and the reason that they committed that crime is because they were once bullied when they were 3 years old. Lay off with the ******** mate, because when Stephen Paddock's harmed 500 bloody people, the word ‘terrorist’ was not used once.
Digsusting, racist society.
This is wrong, only SOME educated Western countries back up Muslims after a hate crime is acted out by ISIS. ISIS is a very very small percentage of Muslims and the religion should not be targeted because ISIS are ****ed up and not true followers of Islam. Therefore, many people feel the need to get behind Muslims and protecting INNOCENT Muslims from being targeted because of ISIS’ idiotic behaviour that they get backlashed for. Additionally, I have never heard anyone say that Muslims are favoured, it honestly made me laugh. The media can’t wait to label and discriminate blacks and Muslims, yet when a Caucasian commits the same crime, the media can’t wait to describe all the work that they have done and the reason that they committed that crime is because they were once bullied when they were 3 years old. Lay off with the ******** mate, because when Stephen Paddock's harmed 500 bloody people, the word ‘terrorist’ was not used once.
Digsusting, racist society.
Oh spare us the not true muslim thing.They are true muslims.If they are not then neither are saudi arabia and iran.Its not just Isis.Isis is the tip of the ice berg.The vast majority of muslim countries are oppressive backwards hellholes.They treat women and gay people atrociously and free speech is non-existent.Are you saying that pakistan, Saudi arabia,Iran,qutar,Indonesia,iraq,Yemen,Bangladesh and a host of other countries have all got Islam wrong? All these countries have misinterpreted the quran? Can anyone in the middle east read? How can they all get the wrong interpretation from the same book? Was Allah high when he gave this revelation? Perhaps he should have been more clear.
To be a terrorist you have to have a political motivation.Nobody knows what Stephen paddocks motivation was.Whereas whenever a muslim blows stuff up they shout its for allah.Hence political motivation and hence the label terrorist.Also racism is discrimination based on race.Muslim is not and never has been a race.Ergo not a racist.
Original post by Robby2312
Oh spare us the not true muslim thing.They are true muslims.If they are not then neither are saudi arabia and iran.Its not just Isis.Isis is the tip of the ice berg.The vast majority of muslim countries are oppressive backwards hellholes.They treat women and gay people atrociously and free speech is non-existent.Are you saying that pakistan, Saudi arabia,Iran,qutar,Indonesia,iraq,Yemen,Bangladesh and a host of other countries have all got Islam wrong? All these countries have misinterpreted the quran? Can anyone in the middle east read? How can they all get the wrong interpretation from the same book? Was Allah high when he gave this revelation? Perhaps he should have been more clear.
To be a terrorist you have to have a political motivation.Nobody knows what Stephen paddocks motivation was.Whereas whenever a muslim blows stuff up they shout its for allah.Hence political motivation and hence the label terrorist.Also racism is discrimination based on race.Muslim is not and never has been a race.Ergo not a racist.
To be a terrorist you have to have a political motivation.Nobody knows what Stephen paddocks motivation was.Whereas whenever a muslim blows stuff up they shout its for allah.Hence political motivation and hence the label terrorist.Also racism is discrimination based on race.Muslim is not and never has been a race.Ergo not a racist.
I do agree with what you’re saying about these countries being ridiculously backwards, but so was England less than a 100 years ago and these countries still have a long way ago. I personally believe that it’s not religion that dictates these countries, but ridiculous back-minded cultures because I am a Muslim that comes from a family that believes in rights for all, gays, non-females etc.
The Quran mentions female leaders much more than the Bible does and encourages female empowerment which is demonstrated through the Prophets wives, e.g. Aisha. Yet everyone seems to fail to mention this, as Muslims are consistently targeted and hated upon.
Additionally, don’t tell me it’s a religion thing that prevents homosexuality and female rights! This country only just made homosexuality legal a few years ago with still many non-muslims hating on homosexuality and women, and there’s still no signs of equal pay!
There’s a long way to go for human rights amongst all countries and every single person and I hope we see that day soon.
Original post by stressedteen
I do agree with what you’re saying about these countries being ridiculously backwards, but so was England less than a 100 years ago and these countries still have a long way ago. I personally believe that it’s not religion that dictates these countries, but ridiculous back-minded cultures because I am a Muslim that comes from a family that believes in rights for all, gays, non-females etc.
The Quran mentions female leaders much more than the Bible does and encourages female empowerment which is demonstrated through the Prophets wives, e.g. Aisha. Yet everyone seems to fail to mention this, as Muslims are consistently targeted and hated upon.
Additionally, don’t tell me it’s a religion thing that prevents homosexuality and female rights! This country only just made homosexuality legal a few years ago with still many non-muslims hating on homosexuality and women, and there’s still no signs of equal pay!
There’s a long way to go for human rights amongst all countries and every single person and I hope we see that day soon.
The Quran mentions female leaders much more than the Bible does and encourages female empowerment which is demonstrated through the Prophets wives, e.g. Aisha. Yet everyone seems to fail to mention this, as Muslims are consistently targeted and hated upon.
Additionally, don’t tell me it’s a religion thing that prevents homosexuality and female rights! This country only just made homosexuality legal a few years ago with still many non-muslims hating on homosexuality and women, and there’s still no signs of equal pay!
There’s a long way to go for human rights amongst all countries and every single person and I hope we see that day soon.
yes but it was a religious thing in this country too.It was Christian morality in this country that made homosexuality unacceptable,just like it made divorce and abortion unacceptable things too.As this country has got less religious these things have become more acceptable.Its the same type of traditional views only now its islam instead of christianity.
Original post by Eunomia
I'm not a fan of the religion but I agree that it's nonsense to say that Muslims are favoured and get special treatment. Could you imagine a political party in a European country rising to prominence, proposing to expel all Jews or Hindus from the country if it gets voted into power and getting away with it? I think not.
Erm that did happen? Like 70 years ago.That whole thing with that nice Mr hitler and his final solution?
what caused her to leave the religion?
Original post by Robby2312
Erm that did happen? Like 70 years ago.That whole thing with that nice Mr hitler and his final solution?
I'm talking about the present, not the past. But thanks for drawing parallels between present day far-right anti-Muslim parties and Hitler. I didn't even have to do it for you.
Original post by stressedteen
I'm sorry you could not find peace in Islam, I feel sorry for you because I would be lost without it.
All the best for the future because you're going to need it.
All the best for the future because you're going to need it.
What is that even supposed to mean? Non-Muslims and ex-Muslims don’t need luck or “all the best” for the future. Billions upon billions of people have lived perfectly fine and comfortable lives without Islam and will continue to do so. I actually pity the fact that you can’t seem to live a peaceful life without an ancient book from the Middle East.
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Original post by MiszShortee786
Why are you only picking only them out for? There's loads of postive why focus upon the negatives only?
If there's a single unacceptable or false statement in Islam, then it cannot be true. And we have already shown one.
Original post by wonderuss
Exactly? It's just really confusing that women look forward to Islam's idea of paradise? I completely understand that men are buzzing for it because they'll all receive a bunch of 72 virgins of course but women have no reason to be lmao
I have more to say in general about this topic, and in fact I share some of your concerns, but the whole "men will get 72 virgins in heaven" is a myth.
http://farhanaqazi.com/72-virgins-in-heaven-fact-or-fiction/
Original post by wonderuss
My question wasn't about if the terror groups are right or wrong. I asked how do you feel about the fact that Islam was spread around the world by the sword and by force?
And yes, there is a verse in the Quran that says 'there is no compulsion in religion'. And this is exactly what I meant when I said the Quran is contradictory. It says something of one nature and then in the next verse says something of the complete opposite nature.
And yes, there is a verse in the Quran that says 'there is no compulsion in religion'. And this is exactly what I meant when I said the Quran is contradictory. It says something of one nature and then in the next verse says something of the complete opposite nature.
Actually, the notion that Islam was spread by the sword is quite a hasty statement. The Islamic Empire did expand and seize control over other countries, but no one was forced to convert; they were asked to pay a tax (Jizya) to complement the tax that Muslims were paying (zakat).
Original post by wonderuss
@Mythirdleg @MiszShortee786 and any other Muslims - what is your opinion on this:
"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other...As for those for whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them" (4:34)
MiszShortee, I'm particularly interested to hear your views on this as you're a female.
"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other...As for those for whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them" (4:34)
MiszShortee, I'm particularly interested to hear your views on this as you're a female.
The verse you quoted doesn't actually state that men have authority over women. It states that men are protectors and caretakers of women, and the latter part of that verse is actually meant to mean something along the lines of 'because Allah has made them superior over them in certain ways'. And though that sounds initially sexist, it's a reference to the biological makeup of men and women in which men are more systematic rather than empathetic (this is scientifically proven) and so are more equipped to take up certain roles. Similarly to this, women are considered superior over men in certain ways in Islam as well.
Oh and lastly, the word used at the end of that verse in arabic is daraba, which in all other uses in the Qu'ran meant "set forth" and not "beat". And so it's kind of ridiculous (not on your part, but on the part of scholars and Muslim men etc.) to assume that in this one, particular context, God decided to use it to mean "strike". It also goes against the hadith in which the Prophet (pbuh) heavily chastised beating or hurting one's wife.
Here's a source if you'd like one: https://www.islamtomorrow.com/articles/women_treatment.htm
(edited 6 years ago)
Okay. I think I generally want to state that it baffles me how many of the Muslim responders on this thread are just completely incapable of answering your questions and addressing your concerns, because they ARE legitimate concerns and they do need explaining. I can't remember who it was, but the person that said, "why are you only focusing on the negatives" just blew me away?? Religion is not meant to be followed blindly and passively.
That being said, I am a Muslim. And things have been kind of difficult for the past few months! Because I'm struggling to understand why so many things are often problematic, and why it's so difficult to understand them, and why Muslim countries are so backwards and disgusting. I've found some answers. But it's tiring. And it's confusing. And recently, I've been sort of feeling that my belief in God is unwavering but my belief in Islam is not? And that's a very difficult thing to come to terms with.
I don't know why I'm unloading all of this on here because what I mainly wanted to say is that I understand why you find it difficult to take in some of the things said in the Qu'ran. I really do. And I appreciate how respectful you are in conducting this conversation, even though some of the answers you're getting are ridiculous. I relate to you in many ways, but I feel like I can still find answers. Some of the problems you've mentioned I've already looked into and I've found things that make sense, and that are reassuring. I just don't know if I'm going to be able to find that for everything.
That being said, I am a Muslim. And things have been kind of difficult for the past few months! Because I'm struggling to understand why so many things are often problematic, and why it's so difficult to understand them, and why Muslim countries are so backwards and disgusting. I've found some answers. But it's tiring. And it's confusing. And recently, I've been sort of feeling that my belief in God is unwavering but my belief in Islam is not? And that's a very difficult thing to come to terms with.
I don't know why I'm unloading all of this on here because what I mainly wanted to say is that I understand why you find it difficult to take in some of the things said in the Qu'ran. I really do. And I appreciate how respectful you are in conducting this conversation, even though some of the answers you're getting are ridiculous. I relate to you in many ways, but I feel like I can still find answers. Some of the problems you've mentioned I've already looked into and I've found things that make sense, and that are reassuring. I just don't know if I'm going to be able to find that for everything.
Original post by jvinmurrey
Okay. I think I generally want to state that it baffles me how many of the Muslim responders on this thread are just completely incapable of answering your questions and addressing your concerns, because they ARE legitimate concerns and they do need explaining. I can't remember who it was, but the person that said, "why are you only focusing on the negatives" just blew me away?? Religion is not meant to be followed blindly and passively.
That being said, I am a Muslim. And things have been kind of difficult for the past few months! Because I'm struggling to understand why so many things are often problematic, and why it's so difficult to understand them, and why Muslim countries are so backwards and disgusting. I've found some answers. But it's tiring. And it's confusing. And recently, I've been sort of feeling that my belief in God is unwavering but my belief in Islam is not? And that's a very difficult thing to come to terms with.
I don't know why I'm unloading all of this on here because what I mainly wanted to say is that I understand why you find it difficult to take in some of the things said in the Qu'ran. I really do. And I appreciate how respectful you are in conducting this conversation, even though some of the answers you're getting are ridiculous. I relate to you in many ways, but I feel like I can still find answers. Some of the problems you've mentioned I've already looked into and I've found things that make sense, and that are reassuring. I just don't know if I'm going to be able to find that for everything.
That being said, I am a Muslim. And things have been kind of difficult for the past few months! Because I'm struggling to understand why so many things are often problematic, and why it's so difficult to understand them, and why Muslim countries are so backwards and disgusting. I've found some answers. But it's tiring. And it's confusing. And recently, I've been sort of feeling that my belief in God is unwavering but my belief in Islam is not? And that's a very difficult thing to come to terms with.
I don't know why I'm unloading all of this on here because what I mainly wanted to say is that I understand why you find it difficult to take in some of the things said in the Qu'ran. I really do. And I appreciate how respectful you are in conducting this conversation, even though some of the answers you're getting are ridiculous. I relate to you in many ways, but I feel like I can still find answers. Some of the problems you've mentioned I've already looked into and I've found things that make sense, and that are reassuring. I just don't know if I'm going to be able to find that for everything.
Thank you for this. I really appreciate it. I stopped responding to this thread because I just got tired and felt nothing significant was coming out of this discussion, to be honest.
I hope you find the answers that will fulfil your soul.
Respect.
Original post by WiseWords12
what caused her to leave the religion?
She simply found out things about the religion that she didn't know before and slowly began questioning it.
Original post by jvinmurrey
.... but no one was forced to convert; they were asked to pay a tax (Jizya) to complement the tax that Muslims were paying (zakat).
...in humiliation.
Original post by wonderuss
But there are some things that are universally and unquestionably wrong. For example, domestic violence, killing those who aren't members of your religion, etc etc. Don't you agree?
According to "objective morality", these things are unquestionably "right", and any attempt to modift these values is therefore considered "wrong".
They will say that these things are wrong because they know that it what is expected in light of civilised society (and probably what they actually feel, due to their innate human empathy), but when we ask specific, doctrinal questions we find that they actually support all of them in the context of divinely received objective morality.
The resulting turmoil is probably why they often get so angrey when quizzed on the issue!
Original post by MiszShortee786
Just focus upon the postive and you won't have to question the contradiction.
And that Hitler's moral vegetarianism, love of children, and building of an effective welfare state means that we should ignore all the other stuff?
You really need to think your arguments through.
We will only truly find out when we pass away so why questions elements that you would never get an answer for in this world?
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Original post by QE2
But this isn't a question about whether there is an afterlife. It is about the nature of Islamic ideology. Even if it turns out to be real, it doesn't mean that Allah is worthy of worship. Just because National Socialism was real doesn't mean that Hitler was right!
Mate - it's really simple. Not rocket science - just use your common sense. Decide what's right or wrong and follow it. Just think for yourself
Original post by stressedteen
ISIS is a very very small percentage of Muslims and the religion should not be targeted because ISIS are ****ed up and not true followers of Islam.
Therefore, many people feel the need to get behind Muslims and protecting INNOCENT Muslims from being targeted because of ISIS’ idiotic behaviour that they get backlashed for.
The media can’t wait to label and discriminate blacks and Muslims,
yet when a Caucasian commits the same crime, the media can’t wait to describe all the work that they have done and the reason that they committed that crime is because they were once bullied when they were 3 years old.
Lay off with the ******** mate, because when Stephen Paddock's harmed 500 bloody people, the word ‘terrorist’ was not used once.
The point is that simply murdering lots of people doesn't make you a "terrorist". There must be some element of ideological motivation with the aim of enabling some kind of societal change. It may well turn out that his was an act of terrorism, but it may not.
I understand that some people feel the need to mitigate one form of terrorism by finding other forms so they can indulge in whataboutery, but that doesn't really help the issue, does it?
Digsusting, racist society.
And remember, as you said earlier, you can't condemn an entire society because of the actions of a minority.
Original post by ClearSky II
They'll be having a go at me for all that praying I do next!
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