They start younger and younger
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41504571
What is worse is the attitude of others, "you're a liar", "this isn't the school for you". There is zero accountability. This predatory behavior is not just tolerated but actually promoted.
What is worse is the attitude of others, "you're a liar", "this isn't the school for you". There is zero accountability. This predatory behavior is not just tolerated but actually promoted.
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Rape on school grounds?
Ya right.
Ya right.
Original post by RivalPlayer
It's what happens when children grow up in a culture that is increasingly sexualised.
Smartphones and liberal parenting attitudes have helped to destroy previously established boundaries.
Smartphones and liberal parenting attitudes have helped to destroy previously established boundaries.
And porn.
I don't think we'd ever be able to prove this, but I have my suspicions that it's not really the level of incidents like this that is increasing, but how seriously it's treated. You can see from the article that there is still a general inclination not to report it, for schools to keep it internal and so on.
Original post by salt queen
rape on school grounds?
Ya right.
Ya right.
you're literally everywhere!!!
Original post by GetMeAnA*
you're literally everywhere!!!
Stop following me
And ok I'll stop. I normally don't post on here
Original post by yudothis
And porn.
Are you blaming porn for sex offences?
This happened at my school. A boy in an older year group shoved his hands down the pants of a girl in my year. Shockingly the teachers just told him to go sit on the bench for 10 minutes.
I wish I could share the kind of things that happened at my bottom of the barrel secondary school 
Original post by Ganjaweed Rebel
This happened at my school. A boy in an older year group shoved his hands down the pants of a girl in my year. Shockingly the teachers just told him to go sit on the bench for 10 minutes.
It was you who did that wasn't it
Original post by Salt Queen
It was you who did that wasn't it
I don't need to force women, they give it to me willingly.
There is no real discipline in schools and kids are being allowed to ruin their and other people's lives.
What is a Year 7, 8 or 9 kid doing putting his hands into a girls underwear?
If it was my kid, i would have smashed the kid's face in and happily gone to jail for life.
What is a Year 7, 8 or 9 kid doing putting his hands into a girls underwear?
If it was my kid, i would have smashed the kid's face in and happily gone to jail for life.
Original post by Wired_1800
There is no real discipline in schools and kids are being allowed to ruin their and other people's lives.
What is a Year 7, 8 or 9 kid doing putting his hands into a girls underwear?
If it was my kid, i would have smashed the kid's face in and happily gone to jail for life.
What is a Year 7, 8 or 9 kid doing putting his hands into a girls underwear?
If it was my kid, i would have smashed the kid's face in and happily gone to jail for life.
I don't know if it's down to discipline though. I went to a rough yet also strict boys school and there where guys I knew who would sneak out to the local girls school at lunch and mess around (sexual activity) some as young as 13. Sexual curiosity is heightened at that age but porn and the ease of access of graphic material definitely hasn't helped.
Admittedly it is disturbing that a thirteen year old is sexually assaulting a girl.
Moved to a more relevant section.
Original post by yudothis
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41504571
What is worse is the attitude of others, "you're a liar", "this isn't the school for you". There is zero accountability. This predatory behavior is not just tolerated but actually promoted.
What is worse is the attitude of others, "you're a liar", "this isn't the school for you". There is zero accountability. This predatory behavior is not just tolerated but actually promoted.
sorry but unless it's a rape or something of similar severity then i thinking reporting pupils to the police for sexual assault is just OTT tbh
i've said this before, but when I was at school, no one would even DREAM of going to the police about any sort of playground stuff like this. both boys and girls acted a bit like octopuses at times [i had my ass grabbed on several occasions unsolicited and even my balls, had a girl keep forcibly trying to grind herself on me too even though it was pretty clear i wasn't up for it]
but this is no reason to go and get the police involved. you just laugh it off [even if it's a fake laugh] ..or if you really don't like it you shout at them or something, and that's it, done.
you don't power-walk down to your local police station and start filling out an incident report
there was even an incident in my school where this kid walked up behind some girl and pinched this girls ass like a mother pinching her baby's cheeks [you could actually see her underwear and half of ass when he done it], the girl gave a little yelp out in shock, the DEPUTY HEAD witnessed the whole thing, grimaced her face a little in mild disgust ..and then went about her business. She didn't even speak to the boy. The girl didn't make a complaint either. That's how much of a non big deal it was....
but these days by the looks of things that boy would have ended up suspended and possibly in a police cell too. It's ridiculous, ..it's just kids fooling around......
Its a problem that has a solution.. but its just a solution many would be uncomfortable with.
I live in China.. the problems of behavior out here, especially sexual are tiny compared to the UK.
I have run lectures and workshops on sexual related issues with university students, and the massive massive percentages of university students who are virgins when they attend university is shocking when you come from the UK.. but that's nothing compared to the huge numbers who have never even had a girlfriend/been in a relationship. Imagine all the whiney threads on here about virgins, but a country.
That said their rates of marriage and coupling up after 18 are very normal.. and except the in balance between the numbers of boys and girls, I cant see any long-term negatives to the lack of dating/sexual activities at a young age.
So how do they achieve this?
Simple: Curtail individual freedoms for the collective good.
For teenagers:
No porn. Its all blocked (nationwide) and is very hard to access anything remotely pornographic.
No dating in schools. Its against school policies, any sign of two students dating will result in punishment.
No phones. Bring your phone in, and youl be lucky to not have it destroyed in many schools
No freedom/free time. School is from 7-8am to 8-10pm for 16 year olds. Its their life, and outside time is very limmited and normally family based. most teenage girls in my town are very rarely allowed to go out for the whole day on their own.
Respect for teachers. Teachers are the gatekeepers of success, parents must respect their opinions, or their students futures could be negatively effected.
Unisex school uniform - its like baggy sports wear, nothing sexual at all about it.
Strict hair/make-up/jewelry code: E.g. no makeup at all. No jewelery at all. all boys must have short hair, all girls must have long hair tied back, or short hair.
etc. etc.
I fully expect any western individual (such as myself) to have problems with many of these.. but to be simple, in my experiance its a trade off:
You either take the bennifits of freedom for individual teenagers, whilst accepting this will lead to problems for some. Or you limit their freedoms, in an effort to limit the problems.
Its worth noting that having worked in both UK and Chinese schools, I wouldnt say either group of students is more or less happy.. its just a trade off between different problems. Uk students have far far more socially-related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems. Chiense students have far far more academic related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems
I live in China.. the problems of behavior out here, especially sexual are tiny compared to the UK.
I have run lectures and workshops on sexual related issues with university students, and the massive massive percentages of university students who are virgins when they attend university is shocking when you come from the UK.. but that's nothing compared to the huge numbers who have never even had a girlfriend/been in a relationship. Imagine all the whiney threads on here about virgins, but a country.
That said their rates of marriage and coupling up after 18 are very normal.. and except the in balance between the numbers of boys and girls, I cant see any long-term negatives to the lack of dating/sexual activities at a young age.
So how do they achieve this?
Simple: Curtail individual freedoms for the collective good.
For teenagers:
No porn. Its all blocked (nationwide) and is very hard to access anything remotely pornographic.
No dating in schools. Its against school policies, any sign of two students dating will result in punishment.
No phones. Bring your phone in, and youl be lucky to not have it destroyed in many schools
No freedom/free time. School is from 7-8am to 8-10pm for 16 year olds. Its their life, and outside time is very limmited and normally family based. most teenage girls in my town are very rarely allowed to go out for the whole day on their own.
Respect for teachers. Teachers are the gatekeepers of success, parents must respect their opinions, or their students futures could be negatively effected.
Unisex school uniform - its like baggy sports wear, nothing sexual at all about it.
Strict hair/make-up/jewelry code: E.g. no makeup at all. No jewelery at all. all boys must have short hair, all girls must have long hair tied back, or short hair.
etc. etc.
I fully expect any western individual (such as myself) to have problems with many of these.. but to be simple, in my experiance its a trade off:
You either take the bennifits of freedom for individual teenagers, whilst accepting this will lead to problems for some. Or you limit their freedoms, in an effort to limit the problems.
Its worth noting that having worked in both UK and Chinese schools, I wouldnt say either group of students is more or less happy.. its just a trade off between different problems. Uk students have far far more socially-related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems. Chiense students have far far more academic related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems
Original post by ParadiseFound
I don't know if it's down to discipline though. I went to a rough yet also strict boys school and there where guys I knew who would sneak out to the local girls school at lunch and mess around (sexual activity) some as young as 13. Sexual curiosity is heightened at that age but porn and the ease of access of graphic material definitely hasn't helped.
Admittedly it is disturbing that a thirteen year old is sexually assaulting a girl.
Admittedly it is disturbing that a thirteen year old is sexually assaulting a girl.
I maybe wrong, but some kids seem to lack direction. Even when they are told off, they continue to do the same thing.
If a young girl decides to participate in such activity at 11, 12 or 13, then that's her and her parents' call, but i hope to educate my daughters not to do such things.
That means when a boy tries it and she has said no, then it is rape and the kid would wish he was never born.
Original post by fallen_acorns
Its a problem that has a solution.. but its just a solution many would be uncomfortable with.
I live in China.. the problems of behavior out here, especially sexual are tiny compared to the UK.
I have run lectures and workshops on sexual related issues with university students, and the massive massive percentages of university students who are virgins when they attend university is shocking when you come from the UK.. but that's nothing compared to the huge numbers who have never even had a girlfriend/been in a relationship. Imagine all the whiney threads on here about virgins, but a country.
That said their rates of marriage and coupling up after 18 are very normal.. and except the in balance between the numbers of boys and girls, I cant see any long-term negatives to the lack of dating/sexual activities at a young age.
So how do they achieve this?
Simple: Curtail individual freedoms for the collective good.
For teenagers:
No porn. Its all blocked (nationwide) and is very hard to access anything remotely pornographic.
No dating in schools. Its against school policies, any sign of two students dating will result in punishment.
No phones. Bring your phone in, and youl be lucky to not have it destroyed in many schools
No freedom/free time. School is from 7-8am to 8-10pm for 16 year olds. Its their life, and outside time is very limmited and normally family based. most teenage girls in my town are very rarely allowed to go out for the whole day on their own.
Respect for teachers. Teachers are the gatekeepers of success, parents must respect their opinions, or their students futures could be negatively effected.
Unisex school uniform - its like baggy sports wear, nothing sexual at all about it.
Strict hair/make-up/jewelry code: E.g. no makeup at all. No jewelery at all. all boys must have short hair, all girls must have long hair tied back, or short hair.
etc. etc.
I fully expect any western individual (such as myself) to have problems with many of these.. but to be simple, in my experiance its a trade off:
You either take the bennifits of freedom for individual teenagers, whilst accepting this will lead to problems for some. Or you limit their freedoms, in an effort to limit the problems.
Its worth noting that having worked in both UK and Chinese schools, I wouldnt say either group of students is more or less happy.. its just a trade off between different problems. Uk students have far far more socially-related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems. Chiense students have far far more academic related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems
I live in China.. the problems of behavior out here, especially sexual are tiny compared to the UK.
I have run lectures and workshops on sexual related issues with university students, and the massive massive percentages of university students who are virgins when they attend university is shocking when you come from the UK.. but that's nothing compared to the huge numbers who have never even had a girlfriend/been in a relationship. Imagine all the whiney threads on here about virgins, but a country.
That said their rates of marriage and coupling up after 18 are very normal.. and except the in balance between the numbers of boys and girls, I cant see any long-term negatives to the lack of dating/sexual activities at a young age.
So how do they achieve this?
Simple: Curtail individual freedoms for the collective good.
For teenagers:
No porn. Its all blocked (nationwide) and is very hard to access anything remotely pornographic.
No dating in schools. Its against school policies, any sign of two students dating will result in punishment.
No phones. Bring your phone in, and youl be lucky to not have it destroyed in many schools
No freedom/free time. School is from 7-8am to 8-10pm for 16 year olds. Its their life, and outside time is very limmited and normally family based. most teenage girls in my town are very rarely allowed to go out for the whole day on their own.
Respect for teachers. Teachers are the gatekeepers of success, parents must respect their opinions, or their students futures could be negatively effected.
Unisex school uniform - its like baggy sports wear, nothing sexual at all about it.
Strict hair/make-up/jewelry code: E.g. no makeup at all. No jewelery at all. all boys must have short hair, all girls must have long hair tied back, or short hair.
etc. etc.
I fully expect any western individual (such as myself) to have problems with many of these.. but to be simple, in my experiance its a trade off:
You either take the bennifits of freedom for individual teenagers, whilst accepting this will lead to problems for some. Or you limit their freedoms, in an effort to limit the problems.
Its worth noting that having worked in both UK and Chinese schools, I wouldnt say either group of students is more or less happy.. its just a trade off between different problems. Uk students have far far more socially-related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems. Chiense students have far far more academic related problems that cause unhappiness/mental health problems
Hell no hell no hell no.
There might be some reforms that need to be made but taking advice from China on this regard who's citizens lack substantial liberty compared to the UK, I think we are alright.
[QaqUOTE]I maybe wrong, but some kids seem to lack direction. Even when they are told off, they continue to do the same thing.
If a young girl decides to participate in such activity at 11, 12 or 13, then that's her and her parents' call, but i hope to educate my daughters not to do such things.
That means when a boy tries it and she has said no, then it is rape and the kid would wish he was never born.
"I hope to educate my daughters not to do such things" you think that really works, more often that not it's just going to increase their curiosity even more, if not in high school then the minute their at uni these are the kinds of girls you here about sucking off multiple dudes in a row, getting into orgies etc
If a young girl decides to participate in such activity at 11, 12 or 13, then that's her and her parents' call, but i hope to educate my daughters not to do such things.
That means when a boy tries it and she has said no, then it is rape and the kid would wish he was never born.
"I hope to educate my daughters not to do such things" you think that really works, more often that not it's just going to increase their curiosity even more, if not in high school then the minute their at uni these are the kinds of girls you here about sucking off multiple dudes in a row, getting into orgies etc
Original post by ParadiseFound
Hell no hell no hell no.
There might be some reforms that need to be made but taking advice from China on this regard who's citizens lack substantial liberty compared to the UK, I think we are alright.
There might be some reforms that need to be made but taking advice from China on this regard who's citizens lack substantial liberty compared to the UK, I think we are alright.
I personally agree - its why I will be moving back to the UK to raise my kids.
My point with that post was demonstration just what measures need to be taken if you want to keep kids away from doing anything bad. Some are willing to accept the trade, most in the UK are not.
In china their Confucian traditions have installed a much more collectivist mentality where individual liberty is willingly given up for collective prosperity. Its quite selfless in a sense, very different to our more individualistic principles in the west.
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