Balliol JCR bans Christian group stand at freshers fair

Original post by Racoon

Once you become a Christian you are set free from living under the curse of trying to redeem yourself. You know you will never be good enough or be able to do enough to earn your salvation. That's God's grace.

I agree that most Christian doctrine emphasises a sola gratia and sola fide doctrinal understanding of faith. Which makes all your arguments of, "Christianity is good because its practitioners carry out good works" completely misconceived. If you yourself agree that good works are irrelevant to being saved, then your argumentation which relies on Christianity being undergirded by good works is confused at best and dishonest at worst.

Also, your argument that those bigoted, reactionary, hateful people are not true Christians is also thereby dismissed. As long as they believe in the Nicene Creed then they are saved, no matter how horrid and regressive they are.

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Original post by Racoon

Well the devil is a liar and here is one enormous lie, right here!!!!

How wrong and ill informed you are. Please show me one line of teaching from Jesus that comes anywhere near what you are saying above.

I can 100% guarantee you will not find one.

Jesus says lots of things Christians ignore and twist for their own ends. In fact, I bet if Jesus ever came back to earth. more so called Christians will be judged in a very poor light than none Christians.

Just look at Northern Ireland, ban on gay marriage, need I say more?

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Original post by JMR2017

Christians and all religions preach love and kindness, maybe you should read their holy books.

If religious people actually practiced what they preached, the world would be a better place than it is now.

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Original post by Sammylou40

Er, I’m Christian. And I most certainly don’t hate the lgbt community.
Would you be assuming that all Christians are the same?

You are right, not all Christians are the same, only 95% are hypocrites, the other 4% are enablers.

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Original post by Golden State

That statement itself is pretty bigoted, and it is deeply offensive to say that Christians (or any other religious group) "should be fed to lions".

Not all Christians are against the LGBT community. I'm pretty sure you're aware that there are Gay Pastors, and Gay Christians that have weddings officiated within the Church.

I agree it is unfair to feed Christians to lions in Oxford, lions are not native to this country and in fact, the Romans took so many lions from North Africa for the consumption of Christians there is a shortage of them in that area to this day.

I think wolves would be much better and more ecologically sound being natives to Oxford.

Which Church are you referring to?

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Original post by AlexanderHam

This is utter idiocy. The hard-left president of the Balliol JCR banned the Balliol Christian league from putting up a stand at the Freshers Fair out of 'concern' for "potential for harm to freshers".

They said;

They also said that other religions might not have enough members to have their own stands, which would be "unfair" and so they decided to allow a single, 'multi-faith' stand but it would have to be unmanned; no-one would be allowed to be at the stand to answer questions, only leaflets would be permitted.

Now I am a militant atheist, and I am gay. I hold no truck for Christianity, which I believe is a pernicious and false belief system. But this ban was absolute nonsense and it only serves to solidify the belief that the undergraduate left are a bunch of crybaby snowflakes.

http://cherwell.org/2017/10/08/christian-union-banned-from-balliol-freshers-fair/

The undergraduate left ARE* a bunch of crybaby snowflakes.

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Golden State

Original post by zhog

Do you think they would ban a Muslim or any other non-Christian stall? They wouldn't because Christianity is part of the established culture the project aims to erase, never mind that other religions can be equally or even more 'homophobic' because their adoption and promotion helps dilute Christianity's historical influence in the first place. So does mass immigration and advocating no restraints on it at all. Who does that?

I don't understand why there's so much hatred for Christianity in the UK. I have never come across such loathing, and hatred in my entire life. This country has been built on the Judeo-Christian foundation, and yet people still continue to deny this, and the good that the Christian faith has done for the UK.

When I was an Atheist I used to mock Christianity all the time, particularly when I was living in the Bible Belt in the US. So, I think it's something that's culturally ingrained in a lot of us folks from the UK. I never understood the significance of Christianity until I delved into British History, and how Christianity shaped the UK, and the set of moral ethics that we have today within our society.

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Golden State

Original post by Maker

The Church of England. I'm not sure about the other denominations though.

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CoE does not celebrate gay weddings

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Original post by Golden State

I don't understand why there's so much hatred for Christianity in the UK.

There is hardly "so much hatred for Christianity" in the UK. Probably a narrow majority of people consider themselves culturally Christian at least. Christianity is the established, state religion of this realm, and our head of state is also Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Christian ceremony is embedded in the political traditions of the country (the opening of parliament with a prayer, the guaranteed seats in the upper house for bishops).

That hardly bespeaks a religion under siege and flinching under a withering rain of hateful attacks.

I have never come across such loathing, and hatred in my entire life.

What "such loathing" and "hatred"? To what are you referring? Be specific, if you please

This country has been built on the Judeo-Christian foundation, and yet people still continue to deny this

The country was traditionally Christian, but what on earth does "built on the Judeo-Christian foundation" even mean? The mere fact that we used to be primarily Christian doesn't mean that every positive aspect of this country can be claimed by Christians as a function and consequence of Christianity (any more than every bad thing that happened can be blamed on Christianity, although many of those bad things were indeed the fault of Christianity... the mass executions of gay people, the discrimination against unmarried women and 'illegitimate' children, the discrimination against Jews_

and the good that the Christian faith has done for the UK.

If you could specifically identify what you claim these things to be, we would be in a much better position to debate it. However, in light of the things I pointed out above (the fact that Anglicanism is the state religion, the seats for bishops in the Lords, etc), the claim that somehow Christianity is a beleaguered and discriminated-against sect is utterly preposterous and suggests a rather sad victimhood mentality.

Unfortunately many people on the religious right revel in feeling like victims, in claiming they are being discriminated against, essentially playing the martyr.

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@AlexanderHam out of interest, am I still on your ignore list? :curious:

Original post by the bear

CS Lewis would be rotating in his sarcophagus if he heard this Balliol nonsense.

PRSOM

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Original post by 04MR17

@AlexanderHam out of interest, am I still on your ignore list? :curious:

You don't seem to be. Did I ever put you on there? What was our disagreement about?

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Original post by AlexanderHam

You don't seem to be. Did I ever put you on there? What was our disagreement about?

I can't remember to be honest. You're the only person whose ignore list I am on as far as I was aware, though it looks like I made have been wrong. It was shortly before you changed your avatar if that helps. :colondollar:

(edited 6 years ago)

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Original post by 04MR17

Are you sure I'm the person you think I am? I'm reasonably certain that since I created this account, cat-dude-in-a-suit has been my avatar

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Original post by AlexanderHam

Are you sure I'm the person you think I am? I'm reasonably certain that since I created this account, cat-dude-in-a-suit has been my avatar

Yeah no dead certain. Something turtle-ish.

It's entirely possible that this was just as you started. I've been here a while.

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Original post by 04MR17

Yeah no dead certain. Something turtle-ish.

It's entirely possible that this was just as you started. I've been here a while.

Fair enough. Well, as it seems neither of us can really remember what led to the disagreement, I'm presumably safe to formally declare our hostilities are at an end?

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