A friend of mine keeps cheating on banking numerical tests and is getting away...

Original post by APersonYo

...with it.

Will she eventually be caught?

She's a lloyds scholar and has networked her way in a spring week with Goldman Sachs

Meh, use it as blackmail to get an Xbox imo

Reply 6

if you think the world of business and banking is a level playing field then you're in the wrong industry

welcome to the real world buddy

Reply 7

Original post by gr8wizard10

if you think the world of business and banking is a level playing field then you're in the wrong industry

welcome to the real world buddy

This **** isn't even in the world, she's cheating to get into it - next level man

Reply 8

Original post by GradeA*UnderA

This **** isn't even in the world, she's cheating to get into it - next level man

people cheat in everything, everyday. not exactly the newest phenomena.. if they gets into a bank, it's because the bank thinks they'll do well.

they retest them at an AC or interview maths questions and they screw up.. well there you have it.

Reply 9

[QUOTE=gr8wizard10;7418955it's because the bank thinks they'll do well

Under false info

Reply 10

Original post by GradeA*UnderA

Under false info

doubt anyone cares, job itself isn't exactly rocket science

biggest asset is people skills and likeability which is assessed at interview stage, the rest is just ways banks attempt to cut down applicant pool

not that I condone cheating, but I know enough ppl who've got others to do their test & life has gone on

the most difficult piece of maths ive had to use is probably division, so it's not really something to get into a hissy fit over, in its entirety

Reply 11

Original post by gr8wizard10

doubt anyone cares, job itself isn't exactly rocket science

biggest asset is people skills and likeability which is assessed at interview stage, the rest is just ways banks attempt to cut down applicant pool

not that I condone cheating, but I know enough ppl who've got others to do their test & life has gone on

the most difficult piece of maths ive had to use is probably division, so it's not really something to get into a hissy fit over, in its entirety

Yes, but the fact she couldn't even do the simple maths highlights inadequacy for a job that "isn't rocket science".

These people end up becoming rich at someone else's expense, when in reality they shouldn't have had the chance to.

Reply 12

Original post by GradeA*UnderA

Yes, but the fact she couldn't even do the simple maths highlights inadequacy for a job that "isn't rocket science".

These people end up becoming rich at someone else's expense, when in reality they shouldn't have had the chance to.

the reality is, again nobody cares.

if you're a "better fit" you'd get the job, not them .. getting upset about it doesn't help.. there's really no way to filter out people who cheat in the initial application other than retesting live (which some banks do).

if you cannot learn basic division whilst on the job, likelihood you won't convert the internship. and in your case on the 'off chance' someone miraculously learns how to compute basic % changes throughout the internship process and impresses, what difference does it make regarding the basic level of competence. surely in that scenario it would demonstrate strong underlying growth capabilities, which is even better (not that anyone would know).

in summary, there's no way of identifying cheaters at the application stage, so unable to quantify level of integrity. if numerical tests aren't your strongest point and you don't want to initially self do the work or take a risk-weighted risk (with absolutely no risk), cheating is the most viable option. it has no down-side (with potentially unlimited upside).

again not endorsing cheating but what would you propose?

Reply 13

Original post by gr8wizard10

the reality is, again nobody cares.

if you're a "better fit" you'd get the job, not them .. getting upset about it doesn't help.. there's really no way to filter out people who cheat in the initial application other than retesting live (which some banks do).

if you cannot learn basic division whilst on the job, likelihood you won't convert the internship. and in your case on the 'off chance' someone miraculously learns how to compute basic % changes throughout the internship process and impresses, what difference does it make regarding the basic level of competence. surely in that scenario it would demonstrate strong underlying growth capabilities, which is even better (not that anyone would know).

in summary, there's no way of identifying cheaters at the application stage, so unable to quantify level of integrity. if numerical tests aren't your strongest point and you don't want to initially self do the work or take a risk-weighted risk (with absolutely no risk), cheating is the most viable option. it has no down-side (with potentially unlimited upside).

again not endorsing cheating but what would you propose?

Numeracy test post interview - with a change of numbers involved in each question for each new interview batch. cheap and easy. This is already done for some university courses already.

Again, they're being considered on the false information of being numerate, making them seem "fit".

Reply 14

mrchrister

5

Original post by gr8wizard10

again not endorsing cheating but what would you propose?

What about taking the test while recorded on webcam? Nobody will ever check it but the tiny chance of being caught cheating on a video should prevent to do so.

Reply 15

username738914